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tman, You are most welcome. Good point about the .44 Mag. A .44-40 loaded with the heavier 240 gr. bullet of proper construction would be a different animal indeed loaded in a '92 Win or '94 Marlin as compared to the normal cartridge.. Here's a couple of stories about the use of a handy '94 carbine....

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I think I figured out where all the 30/30 can't kill grizzlies came from. Years ago Clint Walker did a movie, B movie at best, called Night of the Grizzly. In it he repeatedly shoots said grizzly with a levergun until the magazine is empty, then in typical Clint Walker fashion goes mano-a-mano with...

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I decided to check the black powder levels in some .38-40 cases I have. Note the difference in the densities between Goex and Swiss. I don't have any .38-40 Starline brass but R-P .44-40 brass holds about 2 more grs of powder than .44-40 Starline brass. http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf...

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casastahle,
Neat pics, thank you!

Here's one from the book "Legendary Deer Camps".

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Shasta, Thank you for the information. I do use my Lyman 55 when doing batch of cartridges. Once I have the measure set to dispense the amount, by weight of the charge that I want I just drop the charges from the Lyman, weighing about 1 in 25 or so to make sure that the measure is still dropping the...

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w30wcf- I do intend to reduce my powder charge some since the 37 grains was such a tight fit. I arrived at that charge by setting my volumetric black powder measure at 35 grains, then weighing the charge. The Accurate bullet is the one you recommended to me when I first got this rifle. It is based ...

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SHASTA, Thank you for the range report. Nice to see that you experienced minimal fouling. :D You might try backing off the powder charge to 32 grs. by weight of FFFG Olde Enysford which produces original 44-40 b.p. ballistics to see if that would produce better groups.. That charge produced 1,317 f....

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Nice rifle! There is a "Team .44-40" at Marlinowners. One does not need a 44-40 Marlin to join in on the sharing of information and fun. There is a recent post on duplicating the early .44-40 HV cartridges there. http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/team-44-40/ Here's another... http://www.ma...

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Joe,
Very sorry to here of your situation. I will be praying for you.
If I lived in you area I would help you move some of your stuff
but I am 500 miles away.

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Thank you for the link.

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Mark,
Thank you for the update. Nice!

As Frank Marshall use to say, those heavy hitters won't stop for lunch........

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Or......more practice makes MORE perfect.....

Nice shooting!

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If your rifle will chamber a cartridge with a .312 bullet in it, then you are good to go.
6 grs of Trail Boss, 4756, Unique, Universal, will produce close to 1,200 f.p.s with the 115 gr and a bit more with the lighter bullets and should be pretty accurate.

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Shasta, "With the Springfield, using the Lyman 311284 bullet at 1,800 fps, I have found that hard cast bullets seldom take down the Rams, regardless of where they are hit. I have better luck by casting them at a soft 25:1 and that will tip the Rams at least half the time." Interesting. Tha...

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Well.....I thought it was more like Practice Makes Perfect!

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Grizz,
I'm loading them to about 1,150 f.p.s. which is in the velocity range of the early short range cartridges.
They still print well at 1,400 f.p.s. or thereabouts.

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Jack Sr., Once again, a post of substance! What do you suppose is gonna happen when we "old heads" bite the dust? :D Lyman's version of the short bullet for the 38-55.........37583.......135 grains......next to a NEI 270 grain gas check bullet.......yes, the little 135 grainer is a tack d...

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That's some awesome stuff there John. I like the 125 weight for my .30-30... although all I've ever shot at that weight are coyotes with the Sierra HP! It does the coyotes no good at all! Which is a GOOD thing! Hit one a few years back at about 40 yards in the back yard... and it picked up the coyo...

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Bob,

1905 Winchester Catalog
velocities taken at 50 ft.
30 WCF - 170 gr. 1,960 fps
32 W S - 170 gr. 2,050 fps

1910 Winchester catalog
muzzle velocities
30 WCF - 170 gr. 2,008fps
32 W S - 170 gr. 2,112 fps

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In the early 1900's Ideal came up with the idea of offering lighter versions of some of their standard bullets with the intended use being for what they called “Short Range” shooting. In those days, "Short Range" could be up to 200 yards. The 125 gr versions worked as they were intended…. ...

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clarkm, Welcome to the forum. I have an 1873 Winchester .44 W.C.F. made in 1883 with a .435” average groove diameter. Thankfully the chamber will accept cartridges loaded with .436” bullets made from a custom mold. For your oversized ’73 …… If you don’t cast your own bullets: 1.) Buffalo Arms Hollow...

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six..., You're still famous. :D Your post has inspired me to go to my library and get out the 3 Elmer Keith books I have. I am fortunate enough to own the 1st Edition of SIXGUN CARTRIDGES & LOADS. Elmer dedicated To My Friend S. HAROLD CROFT I never noticed that before. SInce it has been probab...

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six....
That is quite a story!

AWESOME!

You are becoming more famous every day..............

Hope to see you at one of the Cowboy Silhouette Matches this year.

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No I didn't measure grain sizes. What I meant was the volume of 40 grains of 3F seemed to weigh in closer to the digital scale 40 grains of weight. 3F Taped down settled and topped off was heavier on the digital scale. I for one will be using the digital scale from now on for smack on consistency. ...

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Brent,
Best wishes that your ammunition preparation and shooting skills will = 1st place this year AND perhaps even establish a new record in the process!

You can do it!
Regards,
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I'm with you with regards to measuring by weight. I weigh my charges to + or - 0.02 Grains. I weigh and sort my 513 bullets into 0.1g lots. That serves me well and I never doubt my cartridges. This summer it got me to 2nd overall in the BPCR Nationals that should be proof that there is value in max...

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casatahle, In answer to your question " Any idea if the powder is volume or weight loaded in factory BP cartridges?"[/ i] take a look at the pic in the link below. The powder was dispensed directly into the cartridge cases as they progressed around the turntable and thus were loaded by vol...

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And......will the firing pin be long enough......

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Griff, Glad to see that you got it taken care of. I have had the same thing happen a few times in the past. Having access to a lathe, I chucked the case in and started running 3/16" drill ( or was it a 13/64...i dont remember which) into the primer. Part way in the primer grabbed ahold of the d...

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By the 1960'S or 1hereabouts Remington had a cartridge head stamped R-P .38 SPL HI VEL which was a continuation of sorts of the older 38-44 cartridge. I lucked onto about 20 loose rounds at a cartridge show several years ago. They were loaded with a 158 gr lead bullet and 13 grs of some type of ball...

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Thank you for your replies, gentlemen, you've given me plenty to think about. Like Mr. Kort, one of my main reasons for pursuing a duplex load is the rather rough bore on my original 1873. It is a 28" barrel that fouls very quickly, even when using my deep grooved Accurate bullets (black powde...

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casastahle, ...6,
Nice!

Check out this Winchester Christmas 10 ga box that recentlky sold for $12,870!
http://www.antiquetrader.com/antiques/a ... at_soldusa

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casatahle, The "Central Fire" callout on the box dates the box between 1882 & 1898. After 1898, it was changed to "Center Fire" (Source: Book - 100 Years Of Winchester Cartridge Boxes 1856 - 1956) Griff, For future reference, solid head cases were balloon head cases that were...

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Shasta, While I partially agree with the pards, I have run some duplex cartridges through my original '73 (1882) with no issues. That was about 10 years ago and my reason for doing so was that the barrel which is far from perfect, would foul quickly and accuracy would go out of the window in short o...

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How did you hold them and crimp them w30wcf? N. Nath, Let me talk for Jack Kort.....this guy has every tool ever invented from about 1406 on. He is amazing and one of the most interesting guys to spend an evening with.-----6 6..... Thank you for the kind words but I would bet that, truth be known, ...

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How did you hold them and crimp them w30wcf? N. Nath, We (I and several others) had an interest in recreating the .22 B.P. cartridge of yore several years ago. We had a custom mold made and luckily, we found a qty of .22 LR primed cases and purchased them. With b.p. no crimp is needed. The bullet h...

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6.... I still have the powder that you pulled from .22's that you kindly gave to me a few years ago. I look at it occasionally but haven't loaded anything with it yet. earlmck, Great report! Thank you. SMOKELESS .22 LR H.V. REPLICATION LOADING..... I have been loading .22 LR with black powder for se...

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Based on the location of the magazine holder, if the barrel was originally 24" long the magazine holder would be closer to the muzzle than it is. The original barrel and magazine could have been replaced.

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Guys,
Thank you!

Perry,
Yes the Big Lubes do carry more lube than needed. If you are using Swiss, the historic 427098 (44-40) works oh so well as would the historic 40143 in the 38-40.

RIHMFIRE, earmck,
Sounds like a great plan!

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rbertalotto, Nice find! Your rifle, as it is now, would have been considered a "Rifle" as the letter indicates, since it has a fore end cap, there are no barrel bands and it has the proper dovetailed magazine holder as a "Rifle" had. It is possible that the when it left the fact...

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casastahle,
Thank you for the look back in history! neat!

2571,
I don't completely disagree but not all companies are like that. There are some that really value their employees. Granted they are few and far between......

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If you are only casting 100 bullets or about 1 hrs worth, I would not worry about ventilation as long as the pot temp is below 900 degrees. I have cast bullets for years in the basement with little to no ventilation (no fluxing except outdoors!). I typically cast for no longer than 2 hrs at a time a...

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Griff wrote:As usual, excellent work. Have you considered submitting an outline to one (all) of the gun rags to see if they'd b interested in publishing an article? You might even get paid!

Griff,
Thank you. I had thought about it but that's about it so far.

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Shasta, Glad to hear of your continued success with the Accurate mold. Wow! Several thousand so far. :D You are way ahead of me..... Sixgun, Yes, hope to see you sometime in 2015! Is Gunny moving close to Ridgway permanently or just during the summer months? Thank you for the well wishes. So far so ...

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hawkeye2, I have worked with black powder in the .45 Colt using information I acquired in working with the .44-40. As a result, Accurate molds now offers molds for the .45 Colt that follow the profiles of the successful .44-40 bullets in addition to the standard 454190 clone. Accuracy with 40 gr by ...

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I am going to start with the RCBS 180 gr bullet that is made expressly for the .38-40. I think it will carry enough lube for the job - at least for10-15 shots. If that shows promise but suggests more lube might do better, I will try another bullet. For now, though, the RCBS will be my first choice....

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Guys, Thank you for the kind words and encouragement. :D The .44 W.C.F. /.44-40 had become a passion with me because of its unique history....being the first center fire cartridge developed for use in a repeating rifle, the famous 1873 Winchester. Some of you folks have been shooting the 44-40 many ...

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casastahle, I would think that the .38-40 would be capable of a similar showing. BrentD, Thank you for the kind words. I live in PA where the humidity is rarely less than 50%. From what I understand, in hot dry conditions, one will need to clean more frequently. Accurate molds offers the same bullet...

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I first began my .44-40 black powder journey back in 1999. Just prior to that, I had obtained some early .44-40 black powder factory W.R.A. CO. head stamped cartridges for study. Dissecting them, I found that they contained a pure lead 200 gr. bullet with two shallow grease grooves. The 40 gr. FFG ...

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Very nice!

Now a cartridge box from that time period with the correct 30 WCF head stamp would be a nice addition.
Like this one....
https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewi ... ?item=3098

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