Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
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Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
We were told by the HVAC guy that our office thermostat HAS to be in an exam room vs. the hallway, and yet the room it is in gets hot (exercise testing room) so the other rooms patients are in get so cold. He will come out for a couple hundred bucks and move it into the adjacent room (also likely to be hot due to the External Counterpulsation Bed being in it), but says it can't be moved anywhere else.
Does this make any sense...??? I would think the thermostat should either be in the most 'normal' we have, or else in the common area (i.e. hallway) somewhere away from external doors.
P.S. - I STILL don't understand why the thermostats all have the "Cool - Off - Heat" setting, since in so many environments, you need heat in the morning most of the year, yet cooling in the afternoon. Staff is there to switch it over to "cool" when it's 76 degrees at lunchtime, despite being set at 71, but then it cools down to 71 degrees in the afternoon, then after everyone leaves and it is a cold night, the building cools to 62 degrees, and no heat comes on. We come in the morning and flip the thermostat back to "heat", but WHY can't the oh-so-sophisticated computerized thermostat be made to decide all by its little self whether we need 'heat' or 'cold'...??? I understand you wouldn't want your systems fighting by cycling heat for ten minutes, overshooting, triggering the air conditioning, then that overshoots after ten minutes, triggering heat, etc., but that seems simple to avoid with appropriate delay and logic circuits a kid could build from Radio Shack stuff...
Does this make any sense...??? I would think the thermostat should either be in the most 'normal' we have, or else in the common area (i.e. hallway) somewhere away from external doors.
P.S. - I STILL don't understand why the thermostats all have the "Cool - Off - Heat" setting, since in so many environments, you need heat in the morning most of the year, yet cooling in the afternoon. Staff is there to switch it over to "cool" when it's 76 degrees at lunchtime, despite being set at 71, but then it cools down to 71 degrees in the afternoon, then after everyone leaves and it is a cold night, the building cools to 62 degrees, and no heat comes on. We come in the morning and flip the thermostat back to "heat", but WHY can't the oh-so-sophisticated computerized thermostat be made to decide all by its little self whether we need 'heat' or 'cold'...??? I understand you wouldn't want your systems fighting by cycling heat for ten minutes, overshooting, triggering the air conditioning, then that overshoots after ten minutes, triggering heat, etc., but that seems simple to avoid with appropriate delay and logic circuits a kid could build from Radio Shack stuff...
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Re: Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
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IME, a thermostat can be mounted anywhere it's wires can be run to.
A central area, with open access to the other areas usually works best - but every building's situation is different.
I'd locate it either in a hallway or the reception area (if appropriate).
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IME, a thermostat can be mounted anywhere it's wires can be run to.
A central area, with open access to the other areas usually works best - but every building's situation is different.
I'd locate it either in a hallway or the reception area (if appropriate).
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Re: Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
If your HVAC guy doesn't know how to balance the system get another opinion.
There are hot air duct dampers, elect and manual, for zoning and balancing. For hot water baseboard the metal strip between the faceplate and top can be moved like a damper to adjust heat output. For one pipe steam radiators the vent comes in different ratings in addition to an adjustment knob on the top.
The thermostats you want exist. Don't know the price.
http://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/ ... l-and-heat
http://yourhome.honeywell.com/home/Prod ... L3550D.htm
https://nest.com/thermostat/life-with-nest-thermostat/
There are hot air duct dampers, elect and manual, for zoning and balancing. For hot water baseboard the metal strip between the faceplate and top can be moved like a damper to adjust heat output. For one pipe steam radiators the vent comes in different ratings in addition to an adjustment knob on the top.
The thermostats you want exist. Don't know the price.
http://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/ ... l-and-heat
http://yourhome.honeywell.com/home/Prod ... L3550D.htm
https://nest.com/thermostat/life-with-nest-thermostat/
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Re: Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
Is it possible that the hallway is more exposed to outside air currants from an exterior door that is in constant use
Many facilities are managed more for keeping utility costs low, rather than user comfort. Maybe the bean counter has rules and the HVAC knows he is toast if he challenges the counter?
The medical facility I visit the most does have exam rooms that seem to be hothouses as you are noting.
The nurses, doctors, and patients complain but the remote facility manager apparently has a case of deafness.
Ask the HVAC guy to explain his logic on thermostat location, and be sure to have your BS meter on.
Maybe it would be similar to installing a fake thermostat near the person who is always complaining and adjusting the thermostat. They get something to fiddle with, and everyone else gets comfort and piece and quiet!
Many facilities are managed more for keeping utility costs low, rather than user comfort. Maybe the bean counter has rules and the HVAC knows he is toast if he challenges the counter?
The medical facility I visit the most does have exam rooms that seem to be hothouses as you are noting.
The nurses, doctors, and patients complain but the remote facility manager apparently has a case of deafness.
Ask the HVAC guy to explain his logic on thermostat location, and be sure to have your BS meter on.
Maybe it would be similar to installing a fake thermostat near the person who is always complaining and adjusting the thermostat. They get something to fiddle with, and everyone else gets comfort and piece and quiet!
Re: Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
TWHBC wrote:
Maybe it would be similar to installing a fake thermostat near the person who is always complaining and adjusting the thermostat.
They get something to fiddle with, and everyone else gets comfort and piece and quiet!
That's just wrong - but I luv it ! . . . .
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Re: Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
It is standard here to locate the thermostat in the hallway. Also every motel I visit, travelling sales, has a Heat-Auto-Cool three setting arrangement. Hope this helps.
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Since it is a commercial facility (office building) we rent space in, we basically have to buy, install, and maintain all of the equipment, including water heaters and furnaces. So I am so really tempted to move the thermostat myself and might even replace it with one that alternates "heat" versus "cool" on it. To move it all we have to do is make a hole in the drywall on the other side of the wall, unhook the wires, move the thermostat, then reattach the wires.
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Re: Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
It's easy enough to do. The screws on the back are labeled and the wires are colored. What kind of heat is it?AJMD429 wrote:Since it is a commercial facility (office building) we rent space in, we basically have to buy, install, and maintain all of the equipment, including water heaters and furnaces. So I am so really tempted to move the thermostat myself and might even replace it with one that alternates "heat" versus "cool" on it. To move it all we have to do is make a hole in the drywall on the other side of the wall, unhook the wires, move the thermostat, then reattach the wires.
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Re: Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
Beware you can totally destroy the outside unit, two things will happen and you can bet on one and more than likely both happening. Some sunny winter day your unit will call for cooling and the big block of snow and ice setting on the out side unit will tear up the fan, or said snow will melt from the heat of the condenser and pool in the bottom of said unit and freeze breaking most of the coil. The other thing that will happen is slugging your compressor with liquid refrigerant, and yes I have seen and worked on these problems.
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How would that happen with an automatically-switching thermostat any more often than with one that is manual...???harry wrote:Beware you can totally destroy the outside unit, two things will happen and you can bet on one and more than likely both happening. Some sunny winter day your unit will call for cooling and the big block of snow and ice setting on the out side unit will tear up the fan, or said snow will melt from the heat of the condenser and pool in the bottom of said unit and freeze breaking most of the coil. The other thing that will happen is slugging your compressor with liquid refrigerant, and yes I have seen and worked on these problems.
If the office is 78 degrees inside, we ARE going to want the 'air conditioning' on, whether manually or automatically.
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Re: Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
It will happen with either one. Unless your AC unit is in the basement or under some protection.AJMD429 wrote:How would that happen with an automatically-switching thermostat any more often than with one that is manual...???harry wrote:Beware you can totally destroy the outside unit, two things will happen and you can bet on one and more than likely both happening. Some sunny winter day your unit will call for cooling and the big block of snow and ice setting on the out side unit will tear up the fan, or said snow will melt from the heat of the condenser and pool in the bottom of said unit and freeze breaking most of the coil. The other thing that will happen is slugging your compressor with liquid refrigerant, and yes I have seen and worked on these problems.
If the office is 78 degrees inside, we ARE going to want the 'air conditioning' on, whether manually or automatically.
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Re: Thermostat - why put in room vs. hallway...?
In my house I always have two. The real one is only known by me. The other gets a lot of use.
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I love it - a "decoy"...!hightime wrote:In my house I always have two. The real one is only known by me. The other gets a lot of use.
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