Pitchy could build this

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:49 pm

And prolly do a much better job ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:07 pm

I think you`ve over estimated my abilities Bill

That is a cool machine.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:20 pm

It's fake.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 7:33 pm

This is fake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCIpKAIFyo

The Wintergaten marble machine is simply cool - and makes the above theoretically possible...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uog48viZUbM&t=222s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Guq7vZb_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGrm-KMPsXE

Oh wait... Intel replicated the Animusic Machine...

Yep all possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4hjx3_A-cw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAQX8W3D6Mg

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:03 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:This is fake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCIpKAIFyo

The Wintergaten marble machine is simply cool - and makes the above theoretically possible...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uog48viZUbM&t=222s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0Guq7vZb_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGrm-KMPsXE

Oh wait... Intel replicated the Animusic Machine...

Yep all possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4hjx3_A-cw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAQX8W3D6Mg

Whatever....Bouncing marbles, or whatever they come up with are not making the music on a stick and string contraption. It's all computer generated.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:07 pm

So is a Moog. What's your point? How the electronic music is generated by the waveform device is not the issue. How those wave forms are actuated (by keys, strings or whatever) is.

How about digital music making analogue waveform images?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaTuFB5QXHo
http://oscilloscopemusic.com/

It's still art beyond most people's ken. (even when he gives full how-to instructions)

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:11 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:So is a Moog. What's your point? How the electronic music is generated by the waveform device is not the issue. How those wave forms are actuated (by keys, strings or whatever) is.

How about digital music making analogue waveform images?

http://oscilloscopemusic.com/

It's still art beyond most people's ken. (even when he gives full how-to instructions)

PT Barnum surely had you in mind.....

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 8:18 pm

OK then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOjld0ZcNzs

If music isn't math, then what is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsktyBaegZI

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:05 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:OK then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOjld0ZcNzs

If music isn't math, then what is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsktyBaegZI

Focus like a laser beam, Glasshopper.

Can't you tell the difference between a SteamPunk computer-generated graphic and real functioning tone generation?

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Wed Feb 22, 2017 9:12 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:OK then...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOjld0ZcNzs

If music isn't math, then what is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsktyBaegZI
Focus like a laser beam, Glasshopper.

Can't you tell the difference between a SteamPunk computer-generated graphic and real functioning tone generation?

I can tell that what was built by Wintergaten is only functionally different from any other music-box/player piano in the way the "strings" are struck... or not struck as in this case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTnGI6Knw5Q

Pitch, duration, all math represented as the release of hammers/air/marbles.

TeDx on Music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LadUft_ly50

Music as technology: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-T8kcSRLL0

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:14 pm

You're not "focusing" My one and only point was that the Marble Machine was supposed to look like actual wind and Percussion contraption... IE, air and sticks vibrating things to make sound. It's not. I don't and never did care for electronically produced music, except for the proper amplification of real woodwinds, brass, drums, pianos, organs (Tho I grudgingly admit that the Hammond B3 was a gift from the Music gods...)

THIS is what a true mechanically made "band" sounds and looks like. A few hundred thousand pipes, drums, whistles and actuators, and not one freaking microchip in the mix. (Also see player piano)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSkKsC0mOg0

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:34 pm

Well, okay. Then it's one heck of am impressive music box. And it took a very talented individual(s) to design and build.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:15 pm

jeepnik wrote:Well, okay. Then it's one heck of am impressive music box. And it took a very talented individual(s) to design and build.

Musicians think differently than mechanics.... RE: Recorded Taps v. a live bugler

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 12:41 pm

The Wintergatan machine is real. There is another clip of a machine that was indeed fake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uog48viZUbM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGrm-KMPsXE

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:53 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:The Wintergatan machine is real. There is another clip of a machine that was indeed fake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uog48viZUbM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGrm-KMPsXE

YesSir.....It could be OI and I are sort of kind of in agreement (don't tell him that

)....It's a wonder of engineering, but it's still computer-generated sounds, not a "real" music box. Player Pianos and the old Carousel roll-actuated organs are the "real" thing. I don't like synthesized music. It's not real.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:13 pm

Blaine, what am I missing here? The Wintergatan machine uses percussion -- ball bearings physically falling on vibraphone keys and other surfaces -- to generate acoustical sound.

Now this one is "fake."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCIpKAIFyo

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:36 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, what am I missing here? The Wintergatan machine uses percussion -- ball bearings physically falling on vibraphone keys and other surfaces -- to generate acoustical sound.

Now this one is "fake."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyCIpKAIFyo

Synthesizer screen shot from Marble Machine video.... Heck, I could be wrong. That happens all the time.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:26 pm

Blaine, I am pretty sure that is for monitoring and mixing the various little speakers he has in that contraption. I don't think it is generating tone, but I could be all wet. My dad always said I was ...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 5:28 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, I am pretty sure that is for monitoring and mixing the various little speakers he has in that contraption. I don't think it is generating tone, but I could be all wet. My dad always said I was ...

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 8:21 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, I am pretty sure that is for monitoring and mixing the various little speakers he has in that contraption. I don't think it is generating tone, but I could be all wet. My dad always said I was ...

Actually, the two things above the vibraphone keys are microphones, not speakers.

The transducers under the "drums" are different than the transducers in an electric guitar nly in that they transmit sound from direct impact rather than vibrated air.

The Cymbals are... real cymbals being hit by steel marbles and the sound being sent to the mixer through yet another microphone.

All of the sound generated by the Marble Machine, save that of the drums, is generated by vibrating keys, cymbals or strings.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:00 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, I am pretty sure that is for monitoring and mixing the various little speakers he has in that contraption. I don't think it is generating tone, but I could be all wet. My dad always said I was ...

Actually, the two things above the vibraphone keys are microphones, not speakers.

The transducers under the "drums" are different than the transducers in an electric guitar nly in that they transmit sound from direct impact rather than vibrated air.

The Cymbals are... real cymbals being hit by steel marbles and the sound being sent to the mixer through yet another microphone.

All of the sound generated by the Marble Machine, save that of the drums, is generated by vibrating keys, cymbals or strings.

Fine

But pull the plug and let's see what you end up with....(Be darned if I'm giving up so easy

)

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:43 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:
Bill in Oregon wrote:Blaine, I am pretty sure that is for monitoring and mixing the various little speakers he has in that contraption. I don't think it is generating tone, but I could be all wet. My dad always said I was ...

Actually, the two things above the vibraphone keys are microphones, not speakers.

The transducers under the "drums" are different than the transducers in an electric guitar nly in that they transmit sound from direct impact rather than vibrated air.

The Cymbals are... real cymbals being hit by steel marbles and the sound being sent to the mixer through yet another microphone.

All of the sound generated by the Marble Machine, save that of the drums, is generated by vibrating keys, cymbals or strings.
Fine But pull the plug and let's see what you end up with....(Be darned if I'm giving up so easy )

Oddly enough, in the "how it works" videos I linked, he does just that...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:55 pm

I'm pulling the plug on the machine that has clearly lost his marbles.....

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Wed Mar 01, 2017 2:29 pm

Kind of fun listening to the wide range of covers of the Marble Machine song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8R8iFf9ltE

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:42 pm

Click here first... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHvyhyvpT7Q

[quote="Bill in Oregon"]Kind of fun listening to the wide range of covers of the Marble Machine song.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-X-p0C0Uas

And Score One for the Bill!

And the Old Skool Geek in me loves the Floppy Drive Motors the best...

Totally mechanical, no synthesizers, pure "acoustic/mechanical" "digital Music"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmoDLyiQYKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN2XWp6P0V0 Yah.. Beethoven...

and Pachelbel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H13pIS3ZXO8

and not Pachelbel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGG_s5klyoA

And Bach on a dot matrix printer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4tBIwhOqY

And Mozart...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76RMIR1kCc

Too Geeky? Not greasy enough? How about Step Motors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kow4OyrOBbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLDx80P4_9s
Even Bach... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EAGG9GooE0

And I end (on an infinite set) on Toccata & Fugue...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSTYvx5c78

Don't challenge the Bond...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEzXjJN1RH0

Gadgets rule...

So there, Blaine...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:45 am

Old Ironsights wrote:Click here first... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHvyhyvpT7Q

Bill in Oregon wrote:Kind of fun listening to the wide range of covers of the Marble Machine song.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-X-p0C0Uas

And Score One for the Bill!

And the Old Skool Geek in me loves the Floppy Drive Motors the best...

Totally mechanical, no synthesizers, pure "acoustic/mechanical" "digital Music"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmoDLyiQYKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN2XWp6P0V0 Yah.. Beethoven...

and Pachelbel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H13pIS3ZXO8

and not Pachelbel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGG_s5klyoA

And Bach on a dot matrix printer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4tBIwhOqY

And Mozart...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N76RMIR1kCc

Too Geeky? Not greasy enough? How about Step Motors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kow4OyrOBbA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLDx80P4_9s
Even Bach... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EAGG9GooE0

And I end (on an infinite set) on Toccata & Fugue...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSTYvx5c78

Don't challenge the Bond...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEzXjJN1RH0

Gadgets rule...

So there, Blaine...

I was sad to read that the Fastest Carousel in the world, in Missoula MT, had to install MP3....All the rolls became so worn and torn that they were no longer useable.....That was a GREAT mechanical band...

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:42 am

Old Iron, kind of fun to slip back to the era of floppies and dot matrix!

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:02 am

But... grasshoppers, you're both wrong, ALL music is computer generated. Without the bio-chemical computer God placed in the cranium of those gifted individuals that create the auditory patterns we call "music", none of the gifted people that make instruments, be they string, wind or silicone chip based to convert said patterns to auditory impulses, none of rest of us could enjoy these "patterns"!

His semi-automated xylophone is no more, nor no less than a 21st century adaptation as was the hand-ranked player-piano of the 19th century.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 2:00 pm

Griff wrote:But... grasshoppers, you're both wrong, ALL music is computer generated. Without the bio-chemical computer God placed in the cranium of those gifted individuals that create the auditory patterns we call "music", none of the gifted people that make instruments, be they string, wind or silicone chip based to convert said patterns to auditory impulses, none of rest of us could enjoy these "patterns"!

His semi-automated xylophone is no more, nor no less than a 21st century adaptation as was the hand-ranked player-piano of the 19th century.

But, it sounds different. Chips cannot reproduce the same beautiful timbre as a physical musical instrument... No soul to the electronic goddess..... Just like a shiny new JapChester cannot have the class of a nice, but well used sixty-year-old Winchester.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:56 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Griff wrote:But... grasshoppers, you're both wrong, ALL music is computer generated. Without the bio-chemical computer God placed in the cranium of those gifted individuals that create the auditory patterns we call "music", none of the gifted people that make instruments, be they string, wind or silicone chip based to convert said patterns to auditory impulses, none of rest of us could enjoy these "patterns"!
His semi-automated xylophone is no more, nor no less than a 21st century adaptation as was the hand-ranked player-piano of the 19th century.
But, it sounds different. Chips cannot reproduce the same beautiful timbre as a physical musical instrument... No soul to the electronic goddess..... Just like a shiny new JapChester cannot have the class of a nice, but well used sixty-year-old Winchester.

You should have noted that I never said it could!

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:50 pm

Griff wrote:
BlaineG wrote:
Griff wrote:But... grasshoppers, you're both wrong, ALL music is computer generated. Without the bio-chemical computer God placed in the cranium of those gifted individuals that create the auditory patterns we call "music", none of the gifted people that make instruments, be they string, wind or silicone chip based to convert said patterns to auditory impulses, none of rest of us could enjoy these "patterns"!
His semi-automated xylophone is no more, nor no less than a 21st century adaptation as was the hand-ranked player-piano of the 19th century.
But, it sounds different. Chips cannot reproduce the same beautiful timbre as a physical musical instrument... No soul to the electronic goddess..... Just like a shiny new JapChester cannot have the class of a nice, but well used sixty-year-old Winchester.
You should have noted that I never said it could!

Here ya go, Griff, Old Ironsights....

THE HARLEM SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA

Sounds JUST like the real thing.....

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