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Need?: Nothing, of course; the .30 WCF can do anything I want to do with a rifle. On the other hand, so would a .357 Mag, say an 1894 Marlin. The lines of that rifle aren't so nice as Winchester's development of the same year, but I need nothing more, all the same.What More Do You Really Need...
Carlsen Highway wrote:A bigger bore maybe....![]()
I do not disagree with anything you've said about the 170gr load, but from my experiences with a bunch of different 30-30s the same can be said for the 150gr loads as well.cshold wrote:170 gr .30-30 ammo test. (A post from the Marlin forum)
Standard for decades, 170 grain soft point .30-30 ammo is a mainstay of the ammunition industry, and a reliable partner of countless hunters. There has been a long time now for this .30-30 ammo to be perfected. The modest muzzle velocity of the .30-30, coupled with the large exposed lead tips of most factory ammunition typically results in excellent bullet performance on game. To explore that a little further, I selected three common types of 170 grain .30-30 ammunition for testing.
The test platform was my trusty 336 Marlin with iron sights. Conditions were 40 degrees, overcast, with a slight wind blowing from the north. The chronograph was about 12' from the muzzle, and the one-gallon plastic jugs of water were at 25 yards.
Remington 170 gr Core Lokt: Recovered from the 6th jug. Retained weight is 132.5 gr. Expanded diameter is .552" and the muzzle velocity was 2118 fps.
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Winchester 170 gr Silvertip: Recovered from the 6th jug. Retained weight is 125.6 gr. Expanded diameter is .584" and the muzzle velocity was 2167 fps.
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Winchester 170 gr Power Point: Recovered from the 6th jug. Retained weight is 138.5 gr. Expanded diameter is .606" and the muzzle velocity was 2141 fps.
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The three different types of ammunition were very similar in performance, which didn't surprise me. All were between 2118 fps - 2167 fps, retained weight varied from 125 - 138 grains, all expanded between about .55" and .60" and all penetrated into the 6th one-gallon water-filled jug.
That last part about penetration is noteworthy - recovering bullets from the 6th water jug is impressive stuff. All three types of .30-30 ammo tested produced that amount of penetration, which is greater than I've seen with some .45/70 and .375 H&H hunting ammo!
At this point all I can advise it to use the one that shoots best from your rifle - and that may be hard to determine too, there was no real accuracy difference between them from my rifle... Maybe I'll use Silvertips because they look cool, but I like that green box the Remington ammo comes in... Decisions, decisions... It's obvious that the ammo makers long ago figured out how to make really good 170 grain .30-30 hunting ammo.
Too heavy, long and slow.Ben_Rumson wrote:Working to make my 99 H 30-30 like this one
I have a 99A Great Gun!Ben_Rumson wrote:Thanks for your concern tman, I know it's a burden, but I think I'm man enough to handle the extra half pound of weight and the extra 1& 3/4" of length.
cshold
Guy that handled the transfer says he has some Savage made ammo he would dig out for me.. Here's hoping that it's not 303 Savage..
J Miller wrote:I've not been without a 30-30 in neigh on 10 lustrums. I have others, but the most used rifle cartridge I have is the 30-30. I could part with all by my .45 Colts and not get my feelings hurt.
cshold,
Love that Micro-Grove rifling on the the bullet. Looks cool.
Joe
I'm going to guess the 1930s.cshold wrote:Anyone know what year this advertisement is from?
Thanks GriffGriff wrote:I'm going to guess the 1930s.cshold wrote:Anyone know what year this advertisement is from?
If it turns out it is 303 savage, pm me please. I have this Savage 99F lightweight, 20" in 303 Savage.Ben_Rumson wrote:Thanks for your concern tman, I know it's a burden, but I think I'm man enough to handle the extra half pound of weight and the extra 1& 3/4" of length.
cshold
Guy that handled the transfer says he has some Savage made ammo he would dig out for me.. Here's hoping that it's not 303 Savage..
Ben, looks like a very nice 99H barrel band, a great 20" lever, with the Lyman 1 aperture to boot. Based on the cheek piece (flat pads) and the butt profile, it should date to 1935-37ish. One of those is on my wish list.Ben_Rumson wrote:Keith... Turns out he couldn't find any Savage made ammoBut here's my new to me baby
Now that's my kind of Holiday
170s were what I first tried, they were MOA in the old 336, and the 1951 Win 94 is about the same.cshold wrote:150 vs 170 is a thread topic unto itself![]()
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