What More Do You Really Need...

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 7:46 pm

Classic

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:04 pm

No much, I guess. if you can hunt, and you have time and patience and good luck and maybe a little experience. But some of us might want more. I haven't needed anything for many years. But I seem to want things anyway.

Carlsen Highway · Post by **Carlsen Highway** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 8:26 pm

A bigger bore maybe....

octagon · Post by **octagon** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:07 pm

I have used it since I was a 12 year old kid, and never found it to fail.

Still using it, though the eyes are getting old.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:07 pm

Carlsen Highway wrote:A bigger bore maybe....

Got it covered

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:22 pm

I have a bunch of rifles, more modern bolts etc, but truth is I shot more with my old 94 that I bought new in 1956 when I was 15.

KWK · Post by **KWK** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:20 am

What More Do You Really Need...

Need?: Nothing, of course; the .30 WCF can do anything I want to do with a rifle. On the other hand, so would a .357 Mag, say an 1894 Marlin. The lines of that rifle aren't so nice as Winchester's development of the same year, but I need nothing more, all the same.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:03 am

I've not been without a 30-30 in neigh on 10 lustrums. I have others, but the most used rifle cartridge I have is the 30-30. I could part with all by my .45 Colts and not get my feelings hurt.

cshold,
Love that Micro-Grove rifling on the the bullet. Looks cool.

Joe

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:16 am

170 gr .30-30 ammo test. (A post from the Marlin forum)

Standard for decades, 170 grain soft point .30-30 ammo is a mainstay of the ammunition industry, and a reliable partner of countless hunters. There has been a long time now for this .30-30 ammo to be perfected. The modest muzzle velocity of the .30-30, coupled with the large exposed lead tips of most factory ammunition typically results in excellent bullet performance on game. To explore that a little further, I selected three common types of 170 grain .30-30 ammunition for testing.
The test platform was my trusty 336 Marlin with iron sights. Conditions were 40 degrees, overcast, with a slight wind blowing from the north. The chronograph was about 12' from the muzzle, and the one-gallon plastic jugs of water were at 25 yards.

Remington 170 gr Core Lokt: Recovered from the 6th jug. Retained weight is 132.5 gr. Expanded diameter is .552" and the muzzle velocity was 2118 fps.

Winchester 170 gr Silvertip: Recovered from the 6th jug. Retained weight is 125.6 gr. Expanded diameter is .584" and the muzzle velocity was 2167 fps.

Winchester 170 gr Power Point: Recovered from the 6th jug. Retained weight is 138.5 gr. Expanded diameter is .606" and the muzzle velocity was 2141 fps.

The three different types of ammunition were very similar in performance, which didn't surprise me. All were between 2118 fps - 2167 fps, retained weight varied from 125 - 138 grains, all expanded between about .55" and .60" and all penetrated into the 6th one-gallon water-filled jug.

That last part about penetration is noteworthy - recovering bullets from the 6th water jug is impressive stuff. All three types of .30-30 ammo tested produced that amount of penetration, which is greater than I've seen with some .45/70 and .375 H&H hunting ammo!

At this point all I can advise it to use the one that shoots best from your rifle - and that may be hard to determine too, there was no real accuracy difference between them from my rifle... Maybe I'll use Silvertips because they look cool, but I like that green box the Remington ammo comes in... Decisions, decisions... It's obvious that the ammo makers long ago figured out how to make really good 170 grain .30-30 hunting ammo.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:34 am

You need nothing else. That's why there are so many 30-30's out there.

The 30-30 in a 20" carbine can be described in one word. Balanced. Few firearms before or since have achieved the level of balance in power, accuracy, portability, and utility.

old06 · Post by **old06** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:20 am

I have shot several deer and hog with the old lever gun's in 30-30 to say its the ideal for my hunting area isn't so we have many many gas lines that run 1000's of yards so we hunt from box stands you may get one at 50 yards or one from 350 yards so I use many flat shooting rounds from 25-06 to 7mm Rem mag and have scored out to 400 yards its just the way we have to hunt we have a few places were the max shot would be about 75 to 100 I believe in the right tool for the job

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 8:40 am

For hunting, I doubt I'd "need" anything more. But need has never dictated my wants, so I always want more! Sadly, I look in my safes and realize I don't even own a .30-30 anymore. Still have all the ammo, dies, brass, bullets, etc., but not a single gun in such a classic caliber.

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:53 am

Carlsen Highway wrote:A bigger bore maybe....

Just how much bigger?

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 10:00 am

cshold wrote:170 gr .30-30 ammo test. (A post from the Marlin forum)

Standard for decades, 170 grain soft point .30-30 ammo is a mainstay of the ammunition industry, and a reliable partner of countless hunters. There has been a long time now for this .30-30 ammo to be perfected. The modest muzzle velocity of the .30-30, coupled with the large exposed lead tips of most factory ammunition typically results in excellent bullet performance on game. To explore that a little further, I selected three common types of 170 grain .30-30 ammunition for testing.
The test platform was my trusty 336 Marlin with iron sights. Conditions were 40 degrees, overcast, with a slight wind blowing from the north. The chronograph was about 12' from the muzzle, and the one-gallon plastic jugs of water were at 25 yards.

Remington 170 gr Core Lokt: Recovered from the 6th jug. Retained weight is 132.5 gr. Expanded diameter is .552" and the muzzle velocity was 2118 fps.

<snip>

Winchester 170 gr Silvertip: Recovered from the 6th jug. Retained weight is 125.6 gr. Expanded diameter is .584" and the muzzle velocity was 2167 fps.

<snip>

Winchester 170 gr Power Point: Recovered from the 6th jug. Retained weight is 138.5 gr. Expanded diameter is .606" and the muzzle velocity was 2141 fps.

<snip>

The three different types of ammunition were very similar in performance, which didn't surprise me. All were between 2118 fps - 2167 fps, retained weight varied from 125 - 138 grains, all expanded between about .55" and .60" and all penetrated into the 6th one-gallon water-filled jug.

That last part about penetration is noteworthy - recovering bullets from the 6th water jug is impressive stuff. All three types of .30-30 ammo tested produced that amount of penetration, which is greater than I've seen with some .45/70 and .375 H&H hunting ammo!

At this point all I can advise it to use the one that shoots best from your rifle - and that may be hard to determine too, there was no real accuracy difference between them from my rifle... Maybe I'll use Silvertips because they look cool, but I like that green box the Remington ammo comes in... Decisions, decisions... It's obvious that the ammo makers long ago figured out how to make really good 170 grain .30-30 hunting ammo.

I do not disagree with anything you've said about the 170gr load, but from my experiences with a bunch of different 30-30s the same can be said for the 150gr loads as well.

Joe

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:09 am

.

Choices, choices, choices ............. Although the 150gr & the 170gr loads shoot about the same (accuracy-wise) in my .30-30 Trapper, and since I like "heavy-for-bore" boolits, I feed it 170gr loads.

.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:50 am

150 vs 170 is a thread topic unto itself

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=27481

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:24 pm

I guess it sort of depends on where you come from, and from whom. I own several levers, not to mention just about every other action style. But, in my family we all started with a bolt gun. There is a family .243 that's still banging around, it is currently with my sister's youngest boy. It will go to the next youngster when she gets old enough.

My first personal, and first lefty, rifle was or I should say is as I still have it a Remmy 700 in 30-06. That's the other thing we've all graduated from that .243 to 30-06's except one slightly daft cousin who believed what some fool wrote and sent to a .270. He has since learned that there is no substitute for either horsepower or caliber. He's a bit slow to learn but we love him just the same.

So, what this is all getting to is that while you may not need more than a 30-30, I was raised to believe you only need a 30-06 for anything on this continent.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:02 pm

Working to make my 99 H 30-30 like this one

tman · Post by **tman** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:42 pm

Ben_Rumson wrote:Working to make my 99 H 30-30 like this one

Too heavy, long and slow.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:42 pm

Ben_Rumson wrote:Working to make my 99 H 30-30 like this one

Now you need to add a couple Vintage boxes of these in that picture

jstanfield103 · Post by **jstanfield103** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:55 pm

Well I like the 30-30 and for a hunting round it probably is hard to beat. I do not hunt so I very seldom shoot my 30-30. I Love to shoot steel though and I also reload. I use my 357's 44's and 45 Colts because I am set up to reload those and enjoy shooting my Pistol and Rifle combo's together.
So just a little different perspective.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:28 pm

Thanks for your concern tman

, I know it's a burden, but I think I'm man enough to handle the extra half pound of weight and the extra 1& 3/4" of length.

cshold
Guy that handled the transfer says he has some Savage made ammo he would dig out for me.. Here's hoping that it's not 303 Savage..

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:53 pm

Why a scabbard to carry it in, and a horse & saddle to carry me & it!

And of course, a Colt SAA, belt & holster.

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 2:04 am

[quote="Griff"]Why a scabbard to carry it in, and a horse & saddle to carry me & it!

And of course, a Colt SAA, belt & holster.
/quote]

It doesn't get any better than that!

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 6:24 am

Depends on where you hunt.

tman · Post by **tman** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:32 am

Ben_Rumson wrote:Thanks for your concern tman , I know it's a burden, but I think I'm man enough to handle the extra half pound of weight and the extra 1& 3/4" of length.

cshold
Guy that handled the transfer says he has some Savage made ammo he would dig out for me.. Here's hoping that it's not 303 Savage..

I have a 99A Great Gun!

M. M. Wright · Post by **M. M. Wright** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 10:46 am

I think the 99 is a lovely rifle or in your case, carbine. Last one we had around here got ruined by shooting a load in it that was fine in my BLR. That one was a 308 Win. Hated losing the rifle but it was a wreck, action stretched, chamber bulged, just wrecked.

Rube Burrows · Post by **Rube Burrows** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 5:19 pm

Loving the photos guys.

Might I add one?

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:20 pm

It's all grandma needed to get it done

Merle · Post by **Merle** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 7:46 pm

cshold wrote:It's all grandma needed to get it done

30-30, I presume?

What year was that?

piller · Post by **piller** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:25 pm

Need? For what I have hunted in the U.S., nothing more is needed. Want is enough to start another thread with.

Rube Burrows · Post by **Rube Burrows** » Sun Feb 14, 2016 8:42 pm

cshold wrote:It's all grandma needed to get it done

What an awesome family photo to have.

soon 2 retire · Post by **soon 2 retire** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:03 am

J Miller wrote:I've not been without a 30-30 in neigh on 10 lustrums. I have others, but the most used rifle cartridge I have is the 30-30. I could part with all by my .45 Colts and not get my feelings hurt.

cshold,
Love that Micro-Grove rifling on the the bullet. Looks cool.

Joe

Thanks Joe, I learn something new every day. Now I know what a lustrum is.

Bob in Friday Harbor, WA

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:05 pm

Anyone know what year this advertisement is from?

samb · Post by **samb** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:21 am

Beautiful picture in the OP. It was all my Dad ever needed, to hunt with.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 7:10 am

cshold wrote:Anyone know what year this advertisement is from?

I'm going to guess the 1930s.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 8:07 am

Griff wrote:
cshold wrote:Anyone know what year this advertisement is from?
I'm going to guess the 1930s.

Thanks Griff

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Tue Feb 16, 2016 6:26 pm

Just gotta love the graphics on Vintage ammo. boxes

KeithNyst · Post by **KeithNyst** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:53 pm

Ben_Rumson wrote:Thanks for your concern tman , I know it's a burden, but I think I'm man enough to handle the extra half pound of weight and the extra 1& 3/4" of length.

cshold
Guy that handled the transfer says he has some Savage made ammo he would dig out for me.. Here's hoping that it's not 303 Savage..

If it turns out it is 303 savage, pm me please. I have this Savage 99F lightweight, 20" in 303 Savage.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 7:19 pm

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Keith... Turns out he couldn't find any Savage made ammo

But here's my new to me baby

KeithNyst · Post by **KeithNyst** » Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:04 pm

Ben_Rumson wrote:
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Keith... Turns out he couldn't find any Savage made ammo But here's my new to me baby

Ben, looks like a very nice 99H barrel band, a great 20" lever, with the Lyman 1 aperture to boot. Based on the cheek piece (flat pads) and the butt profile, it should date to 1935-37ish. One of those is on my wish list.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:57 am

cshold wrote:Just gotta love the graphics on Vintage ammo. boxes

Now that's my kind of Holiday

.

Joe

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:14 pm

cshold wrote:150 vs 170 is a thread topic unto itself

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... =1&t=27481

170s were what I first tried, they were MOA in the old 336, and the 1951 Win 94 is about the same.
I have maybe five boxes of 150s I got when ammo was unobtainium, and a couple boxes of 150 bullets for reloading, but I'll stick with the 170s, I think.