POLITICS - AK-47

Bridger158 · Post by **Bridger158** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:39 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080327/ap_on_re_us/ak47s

Sorry if this has been posted already. This is B.S.

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:48 pm

"AKs and other so-called assault weapons are terrorizing their communities and endangering their officers."

I didn't realize those things could do that all by themselves.

I thought they were inanimate objects that did nothing until someone picked them up and operated them! Learn something new every day!

505stevec · Post by **505stevec** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:51 pm

Just goes to show... Guns dont kill people.. criminal scumbags do!!!

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:54 pm

AK-47,

Everyone should own at least one.

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:09 am

Own two Ak variants-Saiga SOG modified for high cap mags with pistol grip and a Bulgarian Milled Rcvr Arsenal SLR 100h.

gundownunder · Post by **gundownunder** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:46 am

Hey Jaguarundi why buy it, just wait for the towelheads to invade, shoot one in the back of the head and take his for free. After all I would think you are unlikely to actually need a battle rifle till they arrive. Just be patient.

homefront · Post by **homefront** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:26 am

More agenda powered writing.
Demonizing the tool rather than the user.
Misunderstanding and misrepresenting the tool completely.
Trying to propagate fear among the voting ignorant.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:45 am

homefront wrote:More agenda powered writing.
Demonizing the tool rather than the user.
Misunderstanding and misrepresenting the tool completely.
Trying to propagate fear among the voting ignorant.

Exactly!

AK-47,

Everyone should own at least one.

Agreed!

Bullets fired by AK-47s travel at a higher velocity than those from many other weapons

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:13 am

sore shoulder wrote:AK-47,

Everyone should own at least one.

There's a u-tube video of combat in Iraq that shows at least 3 of our guys aiming AK-47s at the bad guys. I guess they got tired of trying to chuck .22s at 'em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNORX006-c&NR=1

If it's good enough for stopping bad guys there then it's good enough for stopping them here. Especially if the BGs are toting them.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:18 am

Grizz wrote:
sore shoulder wrote:AK-47,

Everyone should own at least one.
There's a u-tube video of combat in Iraq that shows at least 3 of our guys aiming AK-47s at the bad guys. I guess they got tired of trying to chuck .22s at 'em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNORX006-c&NR=1

If it's good enough for stopping bad guys there then it's good enough for stopping them here. Especially if the BGs are toting them.

The good thing is, the enemy is your supply line. I know that if my COC allows, I will be carrying one. Many of my squad members have been over there already, and most of them had a number of trophies while in country.

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:32 am

Couldn't you buy AK-47s prior to '05? I remember seeing them in gun shops.

I just don't like them. They feel bulky and uncomfortable. If I ever decide to buy a battle rifle, I'll save up for an M1A.

deerwhacker444 · Post by **deerwhacker444** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:34 am

For you gents that have been out there and in the middle of it.

Pleading my ignorance,..is there anything or anybody that frowns on U.S. troops using non issued equipment during combat? I fully understand why they want to switch rifles, but does that cause a problem obtaining ammo? Other than the dead bad guy, can the troops get any type of ammo they need and does it have to be "official" issue?

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:38 am

Jason_W wrote:Couldn't you buy AK-47s prior to '05? I remember seeing them in gun shops.

I just don't like them. They feel bulky and uncomfortable. If I ever decide to buy a battle rifle, I'll save up for an M1A.

You can still buy several different AK variants. What happened in 05? You can buy 4 AK's for the price of an M1, and you can buy ammo for about 1/4 the price, making them very attractive for the average joe to buy and practice with. The semi-auto 30-30 makes a very good deer rifle also.

Jason_W · Post by **Jason_W** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:41 am

sore shoulder wrote:
Jason_W wrote:Couldn't you buy AK-47s prior to '05? I remember seeing them in gun shops.

I just don't like them. They feel bulky and uncomfortable. If I ever decide to buy a battle rifle, I'll save up for an M1A.
You can dtill buy several different AK variants. What happened in 05?

The AWB expired in '04. The articles was trying to draw a correlation between that expiration and an "increase" of AK-47s on the street.

I could have sworn I saw them advertised in "Shotgun News" between '93 and '04.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:43 am

Jason_W wrote:
sore shoulder wrote:
Jason_W wrote:Couldn't you buy AK-47s prior to '05? I remember seeing them in gun shops.

I just don't like them. They feel bulky and uncomfortable. If I ever decide to buy a battle rifle, I'll save up for an M1A.
You can dtill buy several different AK variants. What happened in 05?
The AWB expired in '04. The articles was trying to draw a correlation between that expiration and an "increase" of AK-47s on the street.

I could have sworn I saw them advertised in "Shotgun News" between '93 and '04.

Yep, the AWB was written by folks ignorant concerning guns. Next time it will be different.

Mojo · Post by **Mojo** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:48 am

sore shoulder wrote:AK-47,

Everyone should own at least one.

At a bare minimum. It should be made into a law or something.

I remember when you had your choice of a Norinco or Polytech, either of which were only $329 in local gun shops back 1989. The Steyr AUG was the same price. If only I would have known.......

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 11:51 am

sore shoulder wrote:AK-47, Everyone should own at least one.

Bleah. An expensive mouth to feed.

I'll use my 92 to get one when and if I need one.

don Tomás · Post by **don Tomás** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:00 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:...I'll use my 92 to get one when and if I need one.

OI,
Or just use your Liberator...

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:14 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
sore shoulder wrote:AK-47, Everyone should own at least one.
Bleah. An expensive mouth to feed.

Was? The only thing cheaper to feed is a .22!

Texican · Post by **Texican** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:45 pm

"The best reason to own one is because the government doesn't want you to." - Michael Bane (TV and internet gun guy)

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:58 pm

sore shoulder wrote:
Jason_W wrote:Couldn't you buy AK-47s prior to '05? I remember seeing them in gun shops.

I just don't like them. They feel bulky and uncomfortable. If I ever decide to buy a battle rifle, I'll save up for an M1A.
You can still buy several different AK variants. What happened in 05? You can buy 4 AK's for the price of an M1, and you can buy ammo for about 1/4 the price, making them very attractive for the average joe to buy and practice with. The semi-auto 30-30 makes a very good deer rifle also.

I used a Ruger Mini 30 years on deer, with good results. I sold it due to it always jamming with anything other than the 5 rnd factory mag. I just sent a money order off for a Saiga 7.62x39 and still have a $100 in my pocket to buy Tapco parts with to convert to traditional AK.

salvo · Post by **salvo** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:52 pm

Jaguarundi wrote:Own two Ak variants-Saiga SOG modified for high cap mags with pistol grip and a Bulgarian Milled Rcvr Arsenal SLR 100h.

You have good tastes Jaguarundi

I have a few semi's and two of them happen to be AK's I admit I don't shoot them as much any more but I can not bring my self to sell them either.

Here's my Bulgarian SLR100H - GordonTech

Bulgarian SA93 - Modified

pomofo · Post by **pomofo** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:20 pm

Salvo,

What lower handguard is that on your SA93? I've been looking for something like that for my SLR-105.

salvo · Post by **salvo** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:44 pm

pomofo, the SA93 started life as a wood thumbhole stocked AK, the lower handguard came from a standard U.S. made polymer set from K-VAR Corp.
http://www.k-var.com/shop/
Then I just fitted and mounted the accessory rail to it, from Brownells.
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ ... 27&s=42223

Pretty simple mod, if you take your time you can fit the rail to about any handguard.

Mojo · Post by **Mojo** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:48 pm

This one isn't mine, but I built it's twin a couple of years ago when the Hungarian AMD-65 kits hit the U.S. market. The scope mount has a see-through peep inside and the 20 round magazine just looks right on that short barrel AMD frame. The extra long muzzle break was drilled and pinned to bring it to the 16" minimum barrel length. It's good knowing that this puppy (and a couple of it's brothers in various configurations) is sitting in the wings with several sardine cans full of the old steel core surplus Chinese ammo that is now almost impossible to obtain.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:57 pm

Mojo, tell me about that scope mount.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:37 pm

The only AK clone that has ever interested me was the Saiga .410

I just can't get into them.

Of course, I'm not a huge fan of the M16 series either.

Like I said, I'lltake a battle rifle off a body before I buy another one.

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:23 am

Salvo, nice picture

!My SLR (made in bulgaria)has the K Var synthetic stocks for US compliance.I bought the SLR new in the box in 2002 from a dealer for $625 out the door

!Can't touch a milled AK for that price now.Old Ironsights-the 410 Saiga is nice.Bought one in 2002 used for $150.Gave to a Ol'Nam Vet friend who is lame in the right hand with several boxes of 3" 000 buck shells(loaded with 5 pellets)for home defense.I also own a Saiga 12 gauge(AK op system)it's in the corner of the bedroom.

Why a AK?It's reliable,low maintenance and I had the wisdom to buy case lots of Wolf HP ammuntion at $80 a case lot,along with mags at very low cost(east german 75rnd drums @ $50 each,5 30 rnd mags @ $25 etc.)I shoot South African boxer primed brass ammo for practice and reload soft points.Rationale-well LA riots,Hurricane Ivan & Katrina.The latter two I lived through and slept good at night with my AK's.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:46 am

I know a guy who did a Saiga 12 with a 10" SBR and side folder. That is a sweet shotty.

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:24 am

Grizz,here is a photo of US marines in Iraq practicing

!Looks like a Iraqi Romak AK.

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:38 am

A Russian Spetnaz morale poster.The weapon is a supressed heavy bullet 9x39mm(sp-5 load subsonic or sp-6 armour piercing ammo) chambered rifle known as the VSS.The scope is IR capable.Lethal range 400 meters(like a rainbow)for the cartridge.The poster rough translates(my russian is rusty)"we have the cure for terrorism-death"?

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:44 am

The poster show Spetnaz removing terrorists from a subway

!

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:24 am

That's just the thing with the new Saiga's. You can get a .223, 7.62x39, or .308 for around $300-$400. I've seen the .223 on the internet for $246. And they can be converted to pistol grip and MILSPEC mags very easy. And most people are putting the Saiga's on the same level as the Arsenal weapons made in Las Vegas that are 2-3 times more expensive. So we better get'em now, 1) while they are cheap, 2) before a democrap gets in office and puts a stop to'em.

Johnny

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:42 am

Blackhawk wrote: I've seen the .223 on the internet for $246. And they can be converted to pistol grip and MILSPEC mags very easy. Johnny

The .223 Saiga can be converted to use AR mags?

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:46 am

Frank,

Yes I do believe that it can.

Johnny

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:05 am

Frank,

I may have miss spoken. It seems some were made but I'm not sure where to find'em.

This guy had a few.
Stanley Smith
PO BOX 2193
DAWSONVILLE, GA 30534

ph# 706-974-6174
mobile# 904-669-4886
fax# 706-344-1394
e-mail: stanley3smithATmsnDOTcom

Also, it was reported that www.dinzagarms.com was starting to make them so you might want to check there. Also, other Saiga related sites to check might be www.tromix.com www.ak47.net

Also, here's a link to convert to a tactical mag release button.
http://www.blackjackbuffers.com/index.p ... al_release

Johnny

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:31 am

Thanks Johnny, I did some googling and ran across most of that info. Looks like I found the perfect truck gun.

ScottT · Post by **ScottT** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:05 am

I am no gun snob. When my .357 Marlin was stolen, I replaced it with this:

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:36 am

ScottT wrote:I am no gun snob. When my .357 Marlin was stolen, I replaced it with this:

That'll teach em.

Sorry to hear about the lost Marlin. I dont have mine either, sold it to a forum member down in TX when I enlisted, needed some cash.

I see by that target you must have gotten the only accurate AK ever made, cause everyone knows an AK isn't accurate past 25 yrds. Yes, I've actually heard people say that. Of course they dont own, nor have they ever shot an AK, but according to them "everyone knows it's true".

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:43 am

ScottT,minute of paperplate will work

!Sore shoulder the saiga I own in 7.62x39 is a SOG hi-cap conversion with pistol grip.The quality is comparable to a Arsenal stamp reciever AK for allot less clams.Picked mine up in a pawnshop for $200 in 2002.The hi-cap conversion is just a file away on the mag release latch for 7.62x39.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:14 pm

Frank,

This might interest you on the AR mag conversion.

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?sho ... ntry216944

A dremel, some files, and maybe a punch and you can do wonders on these Saigas.

Johnny

donw · Post by **donw** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 1:07 pm

here in the wonderful "golden state", for one to possess an AK or it's variants is against the law.

california DOJ has a code that's 99 pages long describing 'assault weapons'.

i agree with old ironsights.

i'll take the good ole m-14; leave the .223/5.56 as a varmint round.

it does look like the military is coming back to its senses though as they're feilding the 6.8/6.9 to replace the 5.56. who knows...they may find their way back to the 30-06.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:16 pm

donw wrote:here in the wonderful "golden state", for one to possess an AK or it's variants is against the law.

california DOJ has a code that's 99 pages long describing 'assault weapons'.

i agree with old ironsights.

i'll take the good ole m-14; leave the .223/5.56 as a varmint round.

it does look like the military is coming back to its senses though as they're feilding the 6.8/6.9 to replace the 5.56. who knows...they may find their way back to the 30-06.

FYI, in case you don't realize it, if you live in a state that illegaly violates The Constituion, you are paying the salaries of the traitors who are doing it. I know many have a lot of reasons why they can't leave. If your stationed there in service to the country thats one thing. Something to think on.

ScottT · Post by **ScottT** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:08 pm

Jaguarundi wrote:ScottT,minute of paperplate will work !Sore shoulder the saiga I own in 7.62x39 is a SOG hi-cap conversion with pistol grip.The quality is comparable to a Arsenal stamp reciever AK for allot less clams.Picked mine up in a pawnshop for $200 in 2002.The hi-cap conversion is just a file away on the mag release latch for 7.62x39.

Both of mine will shoot better than that now.

I have two Chinese guns, converted MAK90s and they will both do better than this all day long now that the triggers are right. I think I have about $300-350 a piece in them.

sore shoulder · Post by **sore shoulder** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:34 pm

donw wrote:it does look like the military is coming back to its senses though as they're feilding the 6.8/6.9 to replace the 5.56. who knows...they may find their way back to the 30-06.

No, thats a myth. The 6.8 has been tested by the Army a few times, and special ops tried it out, but the 5.56 is still standard issue, and will be for a long time, for good reason. All doctrine is based upon multiple hits, and the 5.56 allows more rounds and less weight. All the stories about 5.56 not working are just that. Unfortunately all the witnesses are dead

. The MK262 77gr 5.56 Sierra BTHP Match round manufactured for the military by Black Hills is flatter shooting and hits almost as hard as the 6.8 and is being issued to special ops and marksmen, (all this is common knowledge and has been written about in American Rifleman among other magazines and can be found on Wiki for those who may be concerned about "security" issues) without the need to change the barrel, bolt, and magazine. I've never heard of a 6.9.

Mojo · Post by **Mojo** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:38 pm

sore shoulder wrote:Mojo, tell me about that scope mount.

It was manufactured by ACE Ltd. ( www.riflestocks.com ) but was discontinued about three years ago. It was called the AKSMS. I was fortunate enough to catch a guy on akfiles.com that was able to buy some of the last remaining stock from them. It's really too bad because this thing is just as sweet as pie. It's basically a Picatiny rail integrated with a M16A2 rear sight assembly. The whole thing replaces the standard AK rear sight but still uses the existing sight block. It wasn't easy to install and required quite a bit of hand work with a drill press and taps but it was well worth the effort. I wish I had bought at least two more when I had the chance.

Scoutmaster · Post by **Scoutmaster** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:39 pm

"AKs and other so-called assault weapons are terrorizing their communities and endangering their officers."
After reading about this horror, I ran to my safe to see if my AK was up to no good. I must of built a good one because it was still there and not threatening any mischief.
Don

budliteguy · Post by **budliteguy** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:51 pm

GET RID OF THE THUG"S, NOT THE GUN"S. I think that story didn't mention That was a Gang related shooting, Oh I'm sorry but we dont have a gang problem, just a bunch of mixed up anti-social misfits that like to party together and terrorize and prey on the law abiding citizens that mostly dont carry a gun.
You cant blame them because that bad AK that told them to do it. That's what the Gun Grabbers in Washington keep telling us. Every election year they start this line of stuff. Take away all those bad gun's and all the crooks will fall in line and go straight and lead productive lives and become pillers of the community. HORSE "you know what"

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:43 am

ScottT wrote:
Jaguarundi wrote:ScottT,minute of paperplate will work !Sore shoulder the saiga I own in 7.62x39 is a SOG hi-cap conversion with pistol grip.The quality is comparable to a Arsenal stamp reciever AK for allot less clams.Picked mine up in a pawnshop for $200 in 2002.The hi-cap conversion is just a file away on the mag release latch for 7.62x39.
Both of mine will shoot better than that now. I have two Chinese guns, converted MAK90s and they will both do better than this all day long now that the triggers are right. I think I have about $300-350 a piece in them.

Yup,it is allabout the trigger!My Arsenal & Saiga shoot MOA with decent ammo(open sights).

I once had a egyptian Maadi..minute of pieplate on a good day.

The Arsenal & Romaks chambered in 5.45x39 I have shot will easily do a scary SubMOA with opensights!

Hagler · Post by **Hagler** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:34 am

Gents,

Sometimes I feel like things are artificially stacked against us. Remember: all of this "assault weapons" talk is being bandied about while New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin, and his lackey, Warren Rilley, want to ban assault weapons. I do not know of the Jefferson parish PD's plan for assault weapons, but their new bossman wants his officers to have matching firepower! Good for Sheriff Newel Normand!

I understand that none of these gubmint-types want to be out-gunned. I wish they would understand that being insecure crybabies, who want to ban the opposition, is not going to stop crime. If New Orleans' leaders would do their jobs, and stop being drama queens, then that city would be a much better place, instead of a toilet.

Shawn