your opinion--red dot or scope on a lever
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your opinion--red dot or scope on a lever
Currently, I use an XS Ghost ring with white post front sight. But, folks, my eyes seem to be getting older quicker than the rest of me. So, I'd like your opinion on placing a red dot or scope in a the XS scout mount I have on my .444. I'm considering an AimPoint red dot and a Leupold or Burris scout scope. Deer and hogs would be my main game animals, and most shots are 75-125 yards.
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I use a red-dot on my Marlin when the light starts to get dim.
Works great.
Works great.
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I prefer holgraphic sights. Lower profile, quicker on target and lighter as well.
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I use an Aimpoint red dot on my AR15. It's for up to 100 yd. work, mostly closequarters work. I'm a very big fan of it. Before I purhased it I did a little research. The military had given it's blessing and if it's good enough for our grunts and they can't break it, easily, then it's for me.
If I were looking for something for 50 yds. or longer ranges I'd go for a scope. The magnification helps a lot.
If I were looking for something for 50 yds. or longer ranges I'd go for a scope. The magnification helps a lot.
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I have a Leupold scout scope on my lever and it works great. At work I have a Leupold Mark 4 CQT. It's made for AR's but I believe it would hold up to a big bore. Problem is it's price - about $600. It magnifies up to 3x and has a circle/dot reticle that can illuminate to various brightness.
Good luck.
Good luck.
I have a Leupold Scout set-up on my 1895GS and a Burris SpeedDot I've had on my 629 and now the BFR. The dot is fairly big and I've not tried it on a rifle, but on the hand guns, it tightened up my groups by a factor of at least 3 or 4..... Very fast on target.
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I put a Tasco red dot on the 336C my wife swiped from me and she loves it. The red dot covers exactly where the bullet hits out to about 150 yards. It works fine for me when I can get it away from her, and I spend 40 hours a week staring at a computer screen. That is kind of rough on the eyes.
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Guys,
I appreciate the input. A couple of questions--
For those familiar with red dots, what is your personal experience with battery life? Are you successful with your red dot at night where night hunting is legal?
For those familiar with scout scopes, there are a lot of dense woods with patchy clearings where I hunt. Are the Leupold or Burris scopes able to gather enough light where dim light is the only light available? What method do you use for illumination at night where night hunting is legal?
For both types of optics, what about maintaining zero if quick release rings are used to switch between optic and ghost ring or laser? Based on what Marshal Stanton has said about using laser sights for night hunting on beartoothbullets.com, I might also consider getting one for that part of my shooting.
I appreciate the input. A couple of questions--
For those familiar with red dots, what is your personal experience with battery life? Are you successful with your red dot at night where night hunting is legal?
For those familiar with scout scopes, there are a lot of dense woods with patchy clearings where I hunt. Are the Leupold or Burris scopes able to gather enough light where dim light is the only light available? What method do you use for illumination at night where night hunting is legal?
For both types of optics, what about maintaining zero if quick release rings are used to switch between optic and ghost ring or laser? Based on what Marshal Stanton has said about using laser sights for night hunting on beartoothbullets.com, I might also consider getting one for that part of my shooting.
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I have an Aimpoint CompM4 on my AR-15 and it has a 7 year (not a typo, that is SEVEN YEAR) battery life. I will respectfully suggest that it will NOT fail at the worst possible moment.
As for holding the zero, you can take the Aimpoint off the rifle, throw it, yes THROW it across the ground and then retrieve it and put it back on the rifle, and it will have the exact same zero. Don't believe me? No problem, check http://link.brightcove.com/services/lin ... 1395583585 out this video.
I don't think I'd choose to put something like that on a lever rifle.
As for holding the zero, you can take the Aimpoint off the rifle, throw it, yes THROW it across the ground and then retrieve it and put it back on the rifle, and it will have the exact same zero. Don't believe me? No problem, check http://link.brightcove.com/services/lin ... 1395583585 out this video.
I don't think I'd choose to put something like that on a lever rifle.
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I've dug around the internet about red dots. Seen several claims that accuracy improvement over iron sights is substantial, even though they are non-magnifying. One of the smaller 1" tube sites on a scope mount is not going to turn your levergun into a clumsy clunker. Stay away from the tiny pistol screen sights like the JP Enterprises site (yes, I tried it, could not get a repeatable zero).
I've dug around the internet about red dots. Seen several claims that accuracy improvement over iron sights is substantial, even though they are non-magnifying. One of the smaller 1" tube sites on a scope mount is not going to turn your levergun into a clumsy clunker. Stay away from the tiny pistol screen sights like the JP Enterprises site (yes, I tried it, could not get a repeatable zero).
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Scope is better than a red dot - IMHO. I have used both and still have a red dot, but am not currently using it. I find scopes work better for me.
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I think Homefront and Sobenk are right on track as I use both those types scopes and they are great! I think a low power scope with a good visible reticle used with BOTH eyes open is just about impossible to beat for short range, fast shooting, period. If you have not tried it, then do! I have another scope I recently purchased that's even a tad better than the two already mentioned. A Leupold European model 30mm 1.25-4x20. Very bright in low light and very fast to use with German #4 reticle.
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I'll have to say scope also.....
If your anything like me (used to have a bushnell 4 reticle dot on my guidegun)
Almost everytime I put it away I had left it on, only to break it out with a dead
battery
In the early morning and late afternoon it caused me to move allot "on stand"
because what was bright enough at 6:30am I couldn't see at 6:45am.
Also what was bright enough at 4:30pm would snatch away my ability so see
in failing light at 4:45pm (too bright).
Just because I said that doesn't mean there aren't 100 other gents out there
that LOVE their red dots.
If your anything like me (used to have a bushnell 4 reticle dot on my guidegun)
Almost everytime I put it away I had left it on, only to break it out with a dead
battery
In the early morning and late afternoon it caused me to move allot "on stand"
because what was bright enough at 6:30am I couldn't see at 6:45am.
Also what was bright enough at 4:30pm would snatch away my ability so see
in failing light at 4:45pm (too bright).
Just because I said that doesn't mean there aren't 100 other gents out there
that LOVE their red dots.
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The cheap BSA red dot I put on my son's 336 was only good during normal daylight, night shooting would have been impossible.
A low power scope, even a cheap one, works well after sunset for longer then you'd expect.Depending on background, you can usually see closer range targets at night if you have a bright moon.
A decent one man night shooting rig, is a head light (coon light), that you adjust so you can see your target when the gun is mounted.
I know a guy that has killed more deer at night with that rig, then most people have during the day.
I've never done it, but see that when shooting hogs over a feeder at night, guys hang small battery powered green LED lights on branches or high on the feeder to cast a greenish glow around it just bright enough so targets can be seen with a scope.
Or... you can just get a Gen 1, (or better) nightscope and have at it.
A low power scope, even a cheap one, works well after sunset for longer then you'd expect.Depending on background, you can usually see closer range targets at night if you have a bright moon.
A decent one man night shooting rig, is a head light (coon light), that you adjust so you can see your target when the gun is mounted.
I know a guy that has killed more deer at night with that rig, then most people have during the day.
I've never done it, but see that when shooting hogs over a feeder at night, guys hang small battery powered green LED lights on branches or high on the feeder to cast a greenish glow around it just bright enough so targets can be seen with a scope.
Or... you can just get a Gen 1, (or better) nightscope and have at it.
The red-dot that I use is an Eotech. 10,000hr battery life, and it shuts itself off after 4 hours if you accidentally leave it on.
Nothing works in pitch black but the reticle intensity has 20 levels of adjustment, so there is a good chance that you can get pretty darn close.
Put the dot where you want the bullet to go from any angle through the scope window.
Point. Click.
Really easy.
Nothing works in pitch black but the reticle intensity has 20 levels of adjustment, so there is a good chance that you can get pretty darn close.
Put the dot where you want the bullet to go from any angle through the scope window.
Point. Click.
Really easy.
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
Hey FW, I never tested it when I had mine, but are those red dots parallax free?FWiedner wrote:
Put the dot where you want the bullet to go from any angle through the scope window.
Point. Click.
Really easy.
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I tried a Bushnell Trophy 1x, coated lenses in a tube with multiple reticle configurations. No magnification, but just the lenses in a tube causes some distortion. For that one I'll say no.
The Eotech has no magnification and no "tube" wiith lenses that need to be focused at a particular range, so for that one I'll say yes.
The Eotech has no magnification and no "tube" wiith lenses that need to be focused at a particular range, so for that one I'll say yes.
Government office attracts the power-mad, yet it's people who just want to be left alone to live life on their own terms who are considered dangerous.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.
History teaches that it's a small window in which people can fight back before it is too dangerous to fight back.