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I have a Speer #1 manual. Copyright 1954.
There is data in there for such cartridges as the 348 Winchester. Probably nothing new or exciting, but I thought it might be interesting to compare it to modern ... 'er is there modern data for that round?
And the old 30-30 that is a milestone cartridge that almost nobody reloads. HA!!!
There's some decent loads for that. Nothing unusual, but I'll be they cause panic amongst some of the "new manuals only" crowd.
If enough of you are interested I'll scan it in and post it. Gotta be more than one though.
Joe
***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts .***
I have almost all the Speer manuals, many old Lyman, and even some old Pacific. I always laugh at myself because most of my favorite loads come from the "obsolete" section in a manual that was printed 35 years ago.
" I never went to college, but I sure paid for my education." A favorite quote from my Grandfather.
Need data for the .219 Donaldson Wasp, .256 Newton, .25 Souper, .30 Newton, .333 O.K.H., or the .35 Newton? The Speer Handloaders Manual Volume One has them all and more. I've got a second printing (February 1955) in really nice shape.
Also have Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (first printing October 1967) also in good shape. $25.00 for both,
mailing included
I apologize for going commercial here. Seemed like a good idea at the time. The commentaries in this manual are really worthwhile. I'm severely computer challenged. Perhaps Joe could post the commentary for the .35 Newton to give the flavor
of the information contained
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airedaleman wrote:Need data for the .219 Donaldson Wasp, .256 Newton, .25 Souper, .30 Newton, .333 O.K.H., or the .35 Newton? The Speer Handloaders Manual Volume One has them all and more. I've got a second printing (February 1955) in really nice shape.
Also have Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (first printing October 1967) also in good shape. $25.00 for both,
mailing included
I apologize for going commercial here. Seemed like a good idea at the time. The commentaries in this manual are really worthwhile. I'm severely computer challenged. Perhaps Joe could post the commentary for the .35 Newton to give the flavor
of the information contained
This was a thread about lever gun cartridges. I don't think the 35 Newton was one. But I'll read about it and see what it says.
Joe
***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts .***
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Incidentally, 37 gr. of 4064 under a 150 gr. bullet from a '94 would be BRUTAL for the gun. At 33.5, I stopped, because I could see my gun flexing like a whip!
Hunter Ed. instructor
NRA Basic pistol Inst.
NRA Personal protection inst.
NRA Range safety officer
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. Psalm 1
Something to keep in mind when looking for data--old or new.
The bullet manufacturers, Speer, Hornady etc. published loads ONLY for cartridges that they made bullets for. There was a time when they didn't make a 45 rifle bullet.
That's my primary reason for always recommending to beginners to buy the Lyman manuals . Jacketed and cast loads and no ax to grind.
Pepe Ray
That makes sense.
I don't have Speer #2, but I believe most of the hand gun loads listed in Speer #3 are for cast lead bullets.
Lyman has always been a very good source of load data. I need to pick up a #49.
Joe
***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts .***
Is this a memory test?
IIRC, Speer was tied in with a mold maker at some point. Ohause ? perhaps? I know that they linked with RCBS for a time. We need a history specialist.
Pepe Ray
J Miller wrote:That makes sense.
I don't have Speer #2, but I believe most of the hand gun loads listed in Speer #3 are for cast lead bullets.
Lyman has always been a very good source of load data. I need to pick up a #49.
Joe
Maybe I need to get some of those old manuals, then! It's a total PITA to find lead bullet loads for rifles.
Hunter Ed. instructor
NRA Basic pistol Inst.
NRA Personal protection inst.
NRA Range safety officer
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. Psalm 1
Don't expect to find cast boolet data in a manual produced by a manufacturer of JACKETED bullets.
As paper publications go Lyman produces a book with BOTH jacketed and cast boolet loads. They also publish a book devoted completely to cast boolets. Other companies have attempted to do this but fell short, so if your persistent you MAY locate some info under another name. Good luck!
Of course there is always the Internet. I'm glad it's out there but being "old fashioned" I much prefer setting by the fire with a good book.
Pepe Ray
Confirming Joes' supposition. The #3 Speer does show several cast boolet loads for the most common rounds. No identity as to maker except for the 38 WC which is the Speer swaged round.
The swaged bullets are OK fun but limited in application when compared to the home cast product.
Pepe Ray
One OTHER caution - on reviewing "old" (1970's) data vs. "new" dats - there ARE sometimes great differences (maybe 20% or so) - I posted way back on this question, and evidently according to some of the responses, there are formulation changes that gradually alter powder performance, so do keep that in mind.
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J Miller wrote:Speer #13 also has some cast bullet data. After all they are owned by the same parent company as RCBS, CCI, Alliant, and others .
Joe
Speer #13 is a joke, and not much more than a bullet catalogue. I've gotten more and better data from the free pamphlets they give out at gunshops.
Hunter Ed. instructor
NRA Basic pistol Inst.
NRA Personal protection inst.
NRA Range safety officer
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. Psalm 1
I don't have Speer #1, but here is some .348 data from Lyman #43.
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
Here is .32-40 data from Lyman 43. I use these and haven't had any issues with them, but don't shoot lead, except the .40 and .45 calibers.
A few more vintage cartridges, this time jacketed loads.
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
airedaleman wrote:Need data for the .219 Donaldson Wasp, .256 Newton, .25 Souper, .30 Newton, .333 O.K.H., or the .35 Newton? The Speer Handloaders Manual Volume One has them all and more. I've got a second printing (February 1955) in really nice shape.
Also have Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (first printing October 1967) also in good shape. $25.00 for both,
mailing included
I apologize for going commercial here. Seemed like a good idea at the time. The commentaries in this manual are really worthwhile. I'm severely computer challenged. Perhaps Joe could post the commentary for the .35 Newton to give the flavor
of the information contained
Minimal load data for alot of these can be found in the P.O. Ackley two volume set.
I don't have access right now but will post something later today to give you an idea
of what data is there.
KI6WZU
NRA member
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--President Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
“Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner”
The PO Ackley books have all but the 30 Newton unless you meant to say 30 Belted Newton.
Some Lyman 43 pages:
KI6WZU
NRA member
"When they call the roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'present' or 'not guilty.'"
--President Theodore Roosevelt (1858-1919)
“Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner”
or exciting, but I thought it might be interesting to compare it to modern ... 'er is there modern data for that round?
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