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Sixgun, Nice work. :D Are you experiencing any throat leading? Awhile back a friend who also had accuracy problems with the same rifle eventually found that the original .45 Colt .456" bullet size tightened groups right up for him. I don't remember what powder or charge weight he used. w30wcf

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Thank you .....6 :D +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 ....... etc. Yes, indeed! The older "Ideal" manuals are a treasure trove of information. :D As j35nut indicated........ http://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/historic-ideal.php Also, these manuals are very informative...... http://www.cornellpubs.com/old-gu...

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Yes, modern Cowboy type loads are safe in your original '73 since pressures do not exceed b.p. pressures. I have a '73 .44-40 made in 1883 and to date it has digested about 3,000 reloads, 2000 smokeless and about 1000 b.p. Also consider the fact that starting in the mid 1890's the factories offered ...

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454424 or Lee 255 for the SA

For b.p. in the rifle......
First 3 - Swiss or Olde Enysford for no foul out and repeatable accuracy
Last 2 - Any b.p.

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Thanks guys. I am very proud of my son. He's a better man than I am and he is just a youngster at uh hh....gotta think.....weird when you start getting old...lemme see...born some time at the end of '72............41? Danny, hanging out with you is definitely on my bucket list, while I'm still in f...

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Sounds like my kind of a great day.

Started by.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXY707qV1Jw

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Bob,
Thank you for the range report. Happy to hear that all went well!

There is a forum specifically for the '73 Winchester here.....
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?board=109.0

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Another great moment in historic preservation; dedicated on 12-7-13 and not mentioned by the media or our government. Notice the date of the setting of the barrels, the anniversary of Pearl Harbor
http://www.youtube.com/embed/0dFIZX_RXuU

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Welcome to the forum. 8 grs of Unique is slightly less than the SAMMI maximum for the .44-40 cartridge. If your barrel is larger than the .427" diameter bullets (assuming cast), you may experience some leading and accuracy that could be improved upon using a larger cast bullet. Please keep us i...

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casastahle, Thank you for the kind words. I have been very interested in cartridge history and thankfully have acquired some knowledge that I am happy to share. Here's the business end of a box of Rem-Umc .30-30 110 gr. "Mushroom" bullets. http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf/110g...

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casastahle, Rem-Umc used the term "Mushroom" to indicate hollow point. It had a full jacket to the hollow point like the two cartridges in the photo. The left cartridge was pre 1930 and had a tin plated jacket. Winchester dropped the tin plating on all of their bullets after 1930 (right ha...

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casastahle, Nice box. Thank you for the pic. I have not found a reference for what the actual purpose of the 110 gr. h.p. loading was for. Based on the bullet weight, the hollow point, and the velocity (2,720 f.p.s.) one could assume it was intended for varmints and such. Here's a Winchester box fro...

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I find the best thing for me is to first put the bullets into a 50 round plastic cartridge tray and then place them in the lube pan. Once the lube is still slightly warm to the touch, I place the tray over the bulletsand flip the pan upside down. The bullets are then pushed out of the lub and back i...

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According to the book Winchester Cartridge Boxes 1856- 1956, that box dates to the 1920's. By 1928, the box type changed to 1 piece construction and the color changed to red, white @ blue.

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casastable, Thank you for posting that link. Leather, Awesome video :D with a vintage Winchester that was given to you by your grandfather! That makes it extra special! :D :D Thank you for the "rest of the story." That answered a couple of things I was wondering about. The .25-20 is one ne...

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Yes, I had read about it in Warren Page's book on bench rest shooting many years ago. Lots of experimenting going on back then.

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from another website... Hodgdon Powder, in an email signed by Chris Hodgdon, and dated December 15, 2013, has given notice that the following Powders will be discontinued this year: 4756, 4759, 7625 and PB. The email further stated, "but there are many reasons why we are discontinuing including...

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"Get a good sniff of it then, because 4759 is going away forever."
Hmmm.....
It is still shown on the IMR website.....
http://www.imrpowder.com/shotpist.html

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The only way I can see that happening is that the die & top punch are not in true alignment. If you are using a top punch (SWC) that is larger than the bullet nose that is likely the problem. Are you pre seating the gas checks? Does he ejector pin come up high enough so that the bullet sits soli...

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Perry, Since your rifle has a .365" bore and the bullets are larger than that, I would suggest pan lubing then remove the ejector pin in your lubrisizer die, and back off the ejector rod to its lowest position and then push the bullets through nose first. That will size them evenly all the way ...

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Bob, I've shot away many lbs of ball powders BLC2, H335, 748 in the .30-30 and used standard Winchester primers (WLR) with very good results. I tried magnum rifle primers but did not see any improvement. Hodgdon used standard large rifle primers with ball powder in establishing the data for the .30-...

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UPDATE: I just checked the Lyman site and it says "It should be crimped in the front groove".
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/bull ... entryID=56

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Dave,
A very endearing story. Thank you for sharing.

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Nice! Don't you just love it when a plan comes together.

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I have an older Ideal 319247 mold and it does have a crimp groove. I don't know about the current Lyman.
In addition to the Unique and 4759 mentioned a fellow on another board was getting good results with 13 / 2400.

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You are most welcome. I had found the box information at http://cartridgecollectors.org/
Thankfully, I have a box from each of the time periods.

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Green box and has "Kleanbore" in a dogbone type background 1926-1929 Green box and has "Kleanbore" in a dogbone type background with an "R" prefix number on the right hand side 1930-1933 If the box is Green and Red and has the "R" prefix on the right hand side...

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To each his own on the topic of jacketed bullets in the older guns. Since the barrel steel is much harder than the jacket on a bullet I don't see an issue with using jacketed bullets. In addition to a few thousand cast bullets, I have fired about 700 jacketed bullets through my original '73 (1882) w...

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Would the outcome have been any different if he'd of used BP? With an 8.5 bhn bullet at 1,300 f.p.s. there might not be much expansion. A pure lead bullet would have expanded but the total internal damage would have been less due to the lower velocity. It would have penetrated aok and delivered a m...

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The Lyman 49th Edition shows the following: SAAMI MAP - 16,000 CUP 100 gr jacketed - 8.5 / 2400 / 1,280 fps / 15,800 CUP 115 gr cast ........ 8.3 / 2400 / 1,239 fps / 15,000 CUP Interesting that the heavier 115 gr ( 311008) which is even seated a bit deeper generated less pressure with just .2 grs l...

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I decided to purchase the LYMAN die set for the .25-20 mostly because it comes with their excellent "M" neck expanding die. I also bought the RCBS neck sizing die & the Lee FCD. I was not disappointed! I found that the Lyman sizing die, resizes a fired case to = the factory case dimens...

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Brent,
.38 W.C.F. W.H.V. and .38-40 H.V. cartridges I have dissected contained anywhere from 19 to 21 grs. of Sharpshooter. Sharpshooter burns just a bit faster than 2400.

My hat is off to him as well. I think we are all "nuts" of sorts......in a nice way of course!

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With the H.V. loads, brass will last only one or two reloadings before experiencing case head separations. Very true if one uses the loads in the old Lyman Manuals that Sixgun referenced (over 2,000 f.p.s.!!) In the .44-40 though, 4 reloads (R-P brass) of replication early W.H.V.cartridges and the ...

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Will do. Hope all goes well.

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Here is a bit more information regarding the bullet used (from page 4) .......... "I've been out of Idaho for a while..... to see the doctor.... This is a good thing in this case as my youngest son IS a doctor! But I thought I would respond to a few comments I had missed in my absence... First ...

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Great story complete with pics! Awesome!

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthr ... h-a-38-40-!!

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Sixgun,
Nice log splitter! Now here's quite the log splitter.... faster than any I have seen....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bVAAx3mMKY

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Old Savage, I don't have a .32-20 but the .25-20 is one sweet caliber. Someday when you have some time on your hands check out this interesting thread on reloading the .25-20. Lots of info including bullets, loads, accuracy, etc. http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/reloading/26002-25-20-reloaders.html...

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Prayers said. Hope the storm passes quickly.

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Sixgun,
Nice.......BUT.......they didn't have that new fangled contraption back in the 1800's!

That being said, where is your Black Powder Wedge?? Most useful for splitting logs 20-30 feet long..... AND.....dates back to at least the 1800's ........

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5.0 / Bullseye or 6.0 / Unique would replicate the early .30-30 Short Range cartridge loading (117 gr at 1,150 f.p.s.) and has been very accurate in my rifles.

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Todd1700, Welcome to the forum. Thank you for the links. This has been an interesting discussion and exchange of ideas but for me, the more I think about it, it could very well be that perhaps the conspiracy, or at least a part of it is testimony to the large wound in the back of Kennedy's head whic...

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- 3 fired shell casings next to Oswalds Carcano rifle - Connally bullet matched to the Carcano - Only way to Connally's back is through Kennedy (coat and shirt bunched up) bullet exited through the collar - bullet fragments from Kennedy's head matched to ammunition from Carcano Happy Thanksgiving! ...

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- 3 fired shell casings next to Oswalds Carcano rifle - Connally bullet matched to the Carcano - Only way to Connally's back is through Kennedy (coat and shirt bunched up) bullet exited through the collar - bullet fragments from Kennedy's head matched to ammunition from Carcano Happy Thanksgiving! w...

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KWK, This will give you some idea - still good expansion at 1,630 f.p.s. (200 yard impact) 170 gr Winchester Power Point (1951) Assuming current bullet construction to be the same........ http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30wcf/30-30bullettestJPG.jpg http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o25/w30w...

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Dan, If you have any .06" poly discs in .45 caliber, try one under the bullet. if it still keyholes, try 2. Even if the bullet is undersized by keeping the gas behind the bullet, it will not be disturbed by the powder gases and will fly fairly true. That tactic worked for a friend and his origi...

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Well, this has been an interesting discussion about a very tragic event. If Cuba had consented to let Oswald into their country, perhaps JFK may have lived many more years but then again........ Not to belabor the subject any longer but here is a quick summary of the reasons that the two bullets fro...

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Very interesting observations from Dr. JG retired ....... If you have interest and you get a chance, go to you tube check out the words Zapruder Film High Quality Slow Motion (Higher Quality). Download it and look at it frame by frame. Check out Fame 223 and 224. Go back and forth between those two ...

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OS, The trump card in all of this is that the bullet that hit Kennedy in the back and then pierced Connally was matched to the rifle found in the Book Repository. Same distinct rifling markings, same caliber. Oswald's palm print was on the rifle as well as fibers from the shirt he was wearing. The h...

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Book - Lincoln and Kennedy: Medical and Ballistic Comparisons of Their Assassinations http://www.amazon.com/Lincoln-Kennedy-Ballistic-Comparisons-Assassinations/dp/0151522812 John Lattimer (author) was able to look at the xrays taken of Kennedy at autopsy and made sketches of them which are in the b...

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