Thanks to Boys and Men

[AJMD429]

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A couple of interesting talks on how male character traits are unique and helpful to society, and what happens when society demeans males.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qwm-fcL2uY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAFXZlHzK7g

The person Helen Andrews she refers to was interveiwed on Triggernometry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfbilhs5dt4

Our society is flipping gender roles and suffereing the consequences.

[JimT]

Here's a good book to share ...

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A much needed guide for many men who have evolved into being unable to change a tire, cook a steak, kill a rodent, or God forbid, say a naughty word.

Available on Amazon

[Bill in Oregon]

Wish it were available in print. I don't do Kindle. It's too pink for me.

[Safestuffer]

Here's a good book to share ...
91IBJvHAoWL._SL1500_.jpg

A much needed guide for many men who have evolved into being unable to change a tire, cook a steak, kill a rodent, or God forbid, say a naughty word.

Available on Amazon

Let's be honest.
Our society has become feminized and weak. Masculinity will get you arrested and thrown in prison.
Ask Daniel Penny

[JimT]

Daniel Penny stood up when most men wouldn't.

[Safestuffer]

Daniel Penny stood up when most men wouldn't.

And why would they?

[JimT]

Daniel Penny stood up when most men wouldn't.

And why would they?

There's no way I can know what other people's reasons are for getting involved or not. Penny stated why he did. No one has to agree with him.

[Safestuffer]

What societal and cultural incentives are there for a man to do what Penny did?

"Man up"...
Why?
For women that are promiscuous and a society that demonizes them?

[JimT]

What societal and cultural incentives are there for a man to do what Penny did?

"Man up"...
Why?
For women that are promiscuous and a society that demonizes them?

Social and cultural incentives are not good motivators. If a person has nothing internally then that's about all that is left.

[Safestuffer]

What societal and cultural incentives are there for a man to do what Penny did?

"Man up"...
Why?
For women that are promiscuous and a society that demonizes them?

Social and cultural incentives are not good motivators. If a person has nothing internally then that's about all that is left.

You didnt answer the question.

[JimT]

Social and cultural incentives alone are not good motivators. If a person has nothing internally then that's about all that is left. But if a person is not motivated to act by those outside things, then they act because of what they have internally, which would be their belief system or world view.

[Safestuffer]

Social and cultural incentives alone are not good motivators. If a person has nothing internally then that's about all that is left. But if a person is not motivated to act by those outside things, then they act because of what they have internally, which would be their belief system or world view.

So men should insert themselves where they are not wanted and subject themselves to legal and economic ruin for....some internal sense of duty to a culture that doesnt exist any more?

[jeepnik]

I heard an interesting take on marriage and monogamy. Simply put, marriage is an institution of women, by women and for women. From a reproductive standpoint marriage isn't necessary. Marriage simply provides security for women. Whether that be in the form of a living space, food or safety from predators.

[AmBraCol]

Social and cultural incentives alone are not good motivators. If a person has nothing internally then that's about all that is left. But if a person is not motivated to act by those outside things, then they act because of what they have internally, which would be their belief system or world view.

So men should insert themselves where they are not wanted and subject themselves to legal and economic ruin for....some internal sense of duty to a culture that doesnt exist any more?

Each one must judge for themselves what their personal values are and act on them. I'm currently reading Cicero's account of the Roman empire and it's amazing what the legions would do, or not do, according to their personal set of values, multiplied times the number of men in the legion, of course. Still, they - according to Cicero - put a lot of value on their honor, a term many no longer understand. There are worse things than being judged wrong for doing what's right.

[AmBraCol]

I heard an interesting take on marriage and monogamy. Simply put, marriage is an institution of women, by women and for women. From a reproductive standpoint marriage isn't necessary. Marriage simply provides security for women. Whether that be in the form of a living space, food or safety from predators.

Having worked with many marriages over the decades, I can tell you that who ever dreamed that up has a twisted idea of what marriage is about and the value it brings to a man's life. Unfortunately too many judge the entire institution by the pathologies destroying a vital part of a healthy society rather than considering the solid structure healthy marriages give to society.

[JimT]

So men should insert themselves where they are not wanted and subject themselves to legal and economic ruin for....some internal sense of duty to a culture that doesnt exist any more?

No sir. A man should act according to his conscience, doing what's right as he understands it.

[JimT]

I heard an interesting take on marriage and monogamy. Simply put, marriage is an institution of women, by women and for women. From a reproductive standpoint marriage isn't necessary. Marriage simply provides security for women. Whether that be in the form of a living space, food or safety from predators.

Having worked with many marriages over the decades, I can tell you that who ever dreamed that up has a twisted idea of what marriage is about and the value it brings to a man's life. Unfortunately too many judge the entire institution by the pathologies destroying a vital part of a healthy society rather than considering the solid structure healthy marriages give to society.

Well said my friend

[Ysabel Kid]

Here's a good book to share ...
91IBJvHAoWL._SL1500_.jpg

A much needed guide for many men who have evolved into being unable to change a tire, cook a steak, kill a rodent, or God forbid, say a naughty word.

Available on Amazon