Pump shotguns; I’m a fan but I agree with Honest Outlaw…

[AJMD429]

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https://youtu.be/zW9wzDwPTk0

I have used a Sentinel Arms Striker revolving shotgun, which was super reliable, but clunky, although definitely had the intimidation factor…! Plus once they made them NFA items it made a pain in the butt to sell them because you had to go through an NFA dealer to make sure the paperwork was right.

I have used a Saiga-12 semi automatic shotgun, which has been impeccably reliable, although I just stick with the same three ammunition loads (slug, butt shot, and number two). It is incredibly fast cycling as well.

However, aesthetically my favorite is still the Mossberg 500 pump.
I’ve never had to use it for serious social work so the ergonomics haven’t posted a problem, but I believe I would reach for the Saiga were that the situation.

[Streetstar]

Millions of policemen who have used pump guns over the years, along with the military with the 590 Mossberg

I know the premium semi-autos have gotten good traction in those circles too (Benelli's and Beretta) ------ but i dont really agree with his take. He mentioned -- "Even JErry Miculek has had issues ! " -- or something like that . That guy was trying to run it fast enough to sound like a machine gun no doubt. The pump gun needs to be treated like a levergun -- smooth, steady and deliberate - which is not necessarily slow

I trust the pump guns for whatever thats worth. That said -- a glaring weakness for me is i currently have shoulder issues that make running a pump painful and am wanting to try an A300 BEretta , - hoping the softer recoil impulse will be a nice bonus too

[AJMD429]

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I am sure the pump shotgun is great for those who really do drill with them and are never going to short-stroke or make other mistakes, but I'm more like the 'average homeowner' when it comes to shotgun experience, and I'm sure if I had to shoot a few hundred rounds, especially under stress, with a pump and with a good semiauto, I'd have fewer malfunctions with the semiauto.

Now with a lever action rifle versus a semiauto I don't think I'd side with the semiauto in terms of reliabilty, although both are well over 99%, so I really don't see malfunctions in either. But a levergun is faster for me to clear than a semiauto if it does indeed malfunction.

[Malamute]

Ill start by saying Im not much of a shotgun fan for any purpose other than birds or clays, though there are some instances they can be useful, like around other humans.

With back and shoulder injuries, normal stocked shotguns are a no go for me. During the summer of mostly peaceful protests, I had to travel cross country, and the destination had some mostly peaceful protests. I needed to stay there for an extended period. The answer I came up with was a shockwave. Not at all difficult to shoot, the grip is much nicer to shoot then toe common pistol grips afflicting many shotguns. Holding it up in the line of sight makes hits quite easy. others had noted that it hits about a foot higher than you expect at 15 yards, which proved to be true in my trying it, otherwise, it was compact, and with No4 buck loads, I had less trepidation about collateral issues. I actually liked the neighbors, and there were often people, families, dog walkers in the street in front of the house I was staying at.

That situation is now past, I struggle to conceive of much purpose it has, but it is cute. I reach for pistol or rifle in normal life, a pistol birdshot load takes care of most snake worries. I did shoot a skunk with a 410 load a year ago, but a 22 or pistol caliber carbine with light load would have worked fine.

Shooting skeet with a tac 14. the shooting part starts at about 4:15. He shot a clean round with the tac 14.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jGvKTmDV9w

[Streetstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jGvKTmDV9w

LOL -- i watched part of this --- the 'ol boy has got some grip strength to try and hit clay birds with that critter ! --

[Paladin]

I agree that the Semi-autos have surpassed the pumps. I have used 870s from the 60s on, but some autos are more reliable. I have two, one combat and one multi-use, that never fail. The combat gun is a box magazine-fed Russian 12 Ga and is better than my MP-5 out to 150 yards without the newer 12 Ga grenades. I will never give up my 870s, but for work, it is semi/full autos and box or drum mags.
12 Ga 14-inch barrel.

HD 12Ga.jpg

[jeepnik]

Sorry, I can't get past his five minutes or so of telling me why he's the most expert of experts. I guess I could counter that I'm close to twice his age so I automatically know more than he does, but I'm not an expert. Frankly most of these types of videos are mostly guys or gals that pick a subject and intentionally try to make it controversial so they get more clicks. Yep, good old fashioned click bait.

[Malamute]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jGvKTmDV9w

LOL -- i watched part of this --- the 'ol boy has got some grip strength to try and hit clay birds with that critter ! --

Its not difficult to shoot them, your arms take up much of the recoil. He obviously is a decent shooter to shoot a clean round (no misses), its just changing how you hold the gun, keeping a basically same sight picture, if a bit further from your face, and not trying to stiff arm/control it too much, just let it recoil some.

I had a cut down single shot 12 ga ages ago, someone cut it to legal limits, 18" barrel and 26 1/2" overall, meaning no stock. It wasnt difficult to shoot things in the air holding it as the guy in the video does and looking over the barrel.

[piller]

I have never tried a Shockwave.
My only input is, if your pump shotgun has a smooth wood forestock, it might be a good idea to add a bit of grip tape. Wet hands from whatever reason might slip on a smooth front stock.

[AJMD429]

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The pumps that have a 'strap' that makes sure your hand doesn't slip off make sense.

I shot clay targets at a friend's annual Thanksgiving Shoot using my folding-stock (unfolded) Striker, just to be silly.

Given my lack of skill, I probably did about as well with it as I would with a fine over-under - I think I hit an average of 30% or so...

[AJMD429]

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The pumps that have a 'strap' that makes sure your hand doesn't slip off make sense.

I shot clay targets at a friend's annual Thanksgiving Shoot using my folding-stock (unfolded) Striker, just to be silly.



Given my lack of skill, I probably did about as well with it as I would with a fine over-under - I think I hit an average of 30% or so...