Velocity spread vs accuracy…

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Velocity spread vs accuracy…

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Just musing over 22LR and impact change vs velocity.

At around 1,000 fps even a 10% velocity difference (say 900 fps) only changes time-of-flight to 100 yards by a small amount.

If the average velocity for the first 100 yards is 1,000 ft/s, it gets to 300 ft in 0.300 sec. At 900 ft/s it would take 0.333 sec to get there.

I used THIS WEB CALCULATOR to compute the distance fallen per time - https://www.omnicalculator.com/physics/free-fall

In that extra 0.033 sec, the bullet only falls another 0.21 inches - about one bullet diameter.

Yet purists would fret if the velocity spread were far less than 100 ft/s with a 1,000 fps average…!

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On the other hand, if the muzzle of an 18” barrel moves just 0.01” due to vibration or bad technique, that translates geometrically to 3,600 inches/18 inches, or 200 times 0.01", or a full 2 inches, at 100 yards.

So when we miss, it really is mostly US, not the load, or the gun. :|

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But what about a centerfire high-velocity cartridge, like 223 Rem or whatever...?

With a cartridge averaging 3,000 ft/s for the first 100 yards or so, a 10% spread in velocity would drop all the way down to 2,700 ft/s, with a 100 yard (300 ft) flight-time of around 0.1 sec or 0.111 sec respectively. That extra 0.011 sec would only cause bullet drop of 0.6 mm or 0.02”…! Not even noticeable without using calipers on the target to measure your groups. But of course we generally might want to shoot well past 100 yards with something like a 223 Remington or whatever longer-range cartridge we are using...

With a cartridge in the 3,000 fps range, at 300 yards you’d have a flight time of 0.300 sec, and a ten per cent decrease in velocity the flight time would increase to 0.333 sec, the extra 0.033 seconds resulting in the same drop at 300 yards we saw with the 22LR at 100 yards:

Still it is only about 0.21 inches - one bullet diameter - at 300 yards...!!!. [/i]

So unless my math is way off, maybe we shouldn’t worry too much about velocity variation (not that I really ever did much). :D

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Another fun concept involving the 'math' of shooting, is that since a bullet exiting the muzzle of a 24 inch barrel at 3,000 fps more or less averaged 1,500 fps travelling those two feet, that means it was only in the barrel 2/1,500ths of a second, or 0.00133 seconds. Many match shooters will say even lower numbers, but certainly a barrel can 'wear out' after 3,000 rounds, certainly by 6,000 rounds, for some of the really high-pressure, high-velocity chamberings. Say 7,500 rounds just to make the math easy - 7,500 times 2/1,500 = 15,000/1,500 = ten seconds.

Thus one can say that it only takes about TEN SECONDS of actual use to wear out a barrel...! :shock:
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Never thought about the actual time a bullet spends in the barrel over the life of barrel, that's kind of mind bending.
Another amazing math fact is that a bullet started at 3000 feet per second in a barrel with a 1 turn in 8 inch rifling is spinning 270,000 rpm. I think an off balance bullet has just as much if not more affect on precision than time of flight. I think John Barsness has written of that in one of his Gun Gack books (excellent reading by the way).
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mnmarlin wrote: Sun Oct 19, 2025 6:38 pm Never thought about the actual time a bullet spends in the barrel over the life of barrel, that's kind of mind bending.
Another amazing math fact is that a bullet started at 3000 feet per second in a barrel with a 1 turn in 8 inch rifling is spinning 270,000 rpm. I think an off balance bullet has just as much if not more affect on precision than time of flight. I think John Barsness has written of that in one of his Gun Gack books (excellent reading by the way).
Yeah and I think that if the bullet doesn't "tumble" there isn't much of that huge RPM energy transferred to the target (not much rotational surface presented, and only one or two revolutions top in most recipients), but if it tumbles, I'm thinking it's like having an industrial-grade 'blender' inside the recipient, especially if the bullet is a long one, with lots of lateral area presented and all that energy to expend.
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Great post! Id love to hear the OP quote some 25 yard sub 900 fps load stats for the meticulous handloaders lol!
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Galloway wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 6:02 pm Great post! Id love to hear the OP quote some 25 yard sub 900 fps load stats for the meticulous handloaders lol!
The musing started when I was trying to develop a really-accurate subsonic load for 205 grain bullets in 300 Blackout, using a 16" Encore rifle barrel.

Velocities in that case were very consistent, but impacts were 3" or so at 25 yards. Ridiculous.

The best I could do was with 150 grain supersonics. Twist was 1:7 I think. Even those got around 2" at 50 yards. That's still not what I'd like.
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mnmarlin wrote: Sun Oct 19, 2025 6:38 pm I think an off balance bullet has just as much if not more affect on precision than time of flight. I think John Barsness has written of that in one of his Gun Gack books (excellent reading by the way).
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