Covid is kicking my…..

[Scott Tschirhart]

This feels as bad as the first time

[ollogger]

Sorry to hear that Scott, first time for me was bad, took the horse wormer & felt better in a few days
2nd time i took it right away, 1st time all taste & smell was gone, lost 20 lbs & never gained it back
hope ya get on the mend soon!!



Brad

[Ysabel Kid]

Sorry Scott. I'm three for three now; my last three vacations ended with me getting COVID. This last time was at the end of June. The good news for me was it wasn't that bad and the persistent cough only lasted a couple-few weeks. The bad news is I still have the fatigue. I can't get enough sleep and always feel tired.

No fun. I hope you don't get the same symptom.

[Ysabel Kid]

1st time all taste & smell was gone, lost 20 lbs & never gained it back

Brad

Heck, if it made me lose 20 lbs that doesn't come back, sign me up for a 4th round!

[AmBraCol]

It is indeed a nasty bug. My second round was rough, although the first round was no walk in the park. The second one moved into my chest and kicked my rear from there. Time, vitamin regimen, bed rest and plenty of liquids got me back up and around again. Had to carry cough drops for months afterwards though.

Hang in there!

[JimT]

Praying for you my friend.

[earlmck]

Sheesh guys -- get yer gol danged vitamin D level up where it otta be and you'll quit gettin that junk. Young guys running around all day in their swim trunks get plenty D from the sun. The rest of us will need to supplement.

[jkbrea]

Guess I'm lucky. 1st time was mild. Just tired and a shoulder and back ache. Slept about 20 hrs and felt fine. 2nd time about half that....and no Faucci ouchie taken.

[GunnyMack]

Twice for me, not bad the first time, second was worse but still not the 'call the undertaker 'that the media had everybody believing.
Get well soon!

[2ndovc]

Hope you feel better soon!

I've had it three times and my sense of taste and smell are still off, but not as bad.
All I took was Tylenol and an Albuterol inhaler for the cough. I did sleep an awful lit though.

Speedy recovery, Sir!

jb

[Scott Tschirhart]

Sheesh guys -- get yer gol danged vitamin D level up where it otta be and you'll quit gettin that junk. Young guys running around all day in their swim trunks get plenty D from the sun. The rest of us will need to supplement.

I get plenty of vitamin D here in Texas.

It was a pretty rough night last night

[AJMD429]

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I get a lot of calls from people who have tested positive in our feeling poorly. Keep in mind this bug has been around for many years and before testing was available we got the same calls that people would just say "...I think I have a virus."

Anyway, like many things in the world of healthcare treating early works better than treating late, and treating preventatively works even better.

Late treatment involves things that reduce inflammation, and prevent secondary bacterial infection. These are the things like the dexamethasone, azithromycin, glutathione, and low dose naltrexone. Ivermectin has general antiinflammatory effects so can be of some help.

Early treatment involves attacking the virus at the site of entry, by thoroughly washing it from the nasal mucosa with saline (hourly), and neutralizing it with eucalyptus or other topicals. During this time there is some evidence hydroxychloroquine can help. This is also the time period when ivermectin works the best, because it binds to spike proteins, essentially acting like an antibody. It seemed to work better than, and be safer than, the monoclonal antibodies, and was certainly more widely available and less expensive.

But if you enter the 'early treatment' phase with a low zinc or low vitamin D level, you are going to be handicapped. And the only ways to rapidly increase vitamin D levels are expensive - using already-activated derivatives, or compounded topicals. Keep in mind that studies on vitamin D levels with sun exposure have shown that the only way to get halfway decent vitamin D would be to live at the equator, and be outside all day with very little clothing on. Studies done if people living in Florida and Texas and Southern California show that even people who are 'outside people' often have vitamin D levels in the low 30s, and extremely few have levels even over 60. Zinc absorption into the gut is limited, but can be gotten around via lozenges that absorb in the oral mucosa, however the cellular uptake is limited also, and most of us don't absorb it well without quercetin or some other transport helper. Few who have vitamin D levels over 70 got ill from covid, and the viral-RNA-polymerase inhibition of zinc slows several families of virus. Vitamin C is important throughout the phases and at least that can be rapidly increases, but the other stuff requires weeks or even months to get from too-low to adequate.

And there is a lot of exposure, happening, taking some of the early treatment medication’s seem to be helpful, so I would have healthcare workers, take weekly dosage of ivermectin, and use Alkalol nasal spray several times a day. By doing that, we seem to be able to keep even those with heavy exposure from getting symptomatically ill. We also would use that type of regimen for family members of patients with sometimes severe Covid, and even otherwise frail family members are to be protected when they follow, this kind of regimen. Unfortunately, for healthcare workers or family members who had been vaccinated, and especially those who had multiple boosters, they would tend to get symptomatic Covid, even if we put them on prophylactic regimens.

So....if you want to minimize the impact of the covid virus (and many others), get the baseline supplementation going BEFORE you are infected.

Sambucol is not showing efficacy for covid but does slow influenza A and B, yet doctors still prescribe Tamiflu, even though pretty much every other Nation but the United States discontinued its use once the fraud was exposed that occurred during the approval process. In the United States there were enough lucrative contracts already in place that the government did not want to admit the mistake, so the drug is still used.

Part of the problem is that many of these things are not patented products so don't have drugs reps with big boobs and pizza coming to their office to do a sales pitch.

On the other hand, reps do show up to promote things like Tamiflu and Remdesivir and Paxlovid, which make good enough profits that sometimes the physician gets a cut of the action, but when it comes to proven efficacy and safety, there isn't much to show for these drugs.

However the 'modified' (weaponized) strain of covid in 2019-2022 was so much more deadly than the covid strains of the previous decades, that people justifiably panicked, seeing friends drop dead, and the media and politicians both fed into the frenzy, fueled by drug companies and government contracts. When people panic, they cling to things that aren't always rational, so people who normally were skeptics of government and big pharma, rushed into their arms for 'protection'. We see how well that turned out.

The other big factor that appears to make some people get sicker with covid versus other people as if they got vaccinated, particularly if they got multiple boosters. Again, in pretty much every other nation the data showed that the more vaccinations and boosters one had, the more likely they were to get severely ill. In the United States, the data collection was done differently (less accurately) and although it is not clear whether that was intentional or not, the effect was that almost alone among nations, the United States still has the government recommendation to be continuing vaccination and boosters.

[Scott Tschirhart]

Thanks for this.

Here’s what my doctor gave me:

[Bill in Oregon]

Good luck, Scott. Hope you can catch up on that all-important rest and send this thing packing.
I have had the vaccine plus all the boosters. I think I had silent covid late 2020, as I lost most of my taste for coffee, chocolate and beer for about nine months. The horror!
Still keep a couple of test kits on hand for when I am feeling off -- just in case.

[.45colt]

Get All the Rest You can Scott. Covid has been going around here again as well, We went to a big wedding six weeks ago and I felt like Sh*! soon after. pretty sure I had it. I sleep all I want and if I'm tired I take a nap in the afternoon. Hope You feel better soon.!

[Streetstar]

, lost 20 lbs & never gained it back

As good as Ozempic !

[earlmck]

The main thing to know about Vitamin D is that Big Pharma don't want you taking it. Research in the 1980's scared Pharma enough that they then took over the major medical journals so they could kill all the "D" articles. That's why it was so easy for them to kill Ivermectin -- they already had the "kill switch" in place from when they'd needed to kill Vitamin D. Though I think they didn't need to worry -- only a small percentage of people will act on the knowledge anyway.

It's not easy to get your D level up. I took 4000 units a day for a year and only went from 30 to 50 (and around here you have to ask for the D levels when you get your regular blood work because it isn't routinely done). Another year and I was about the same 50 which is where I was when I got my dose of Covid which had me feeling pretty bad for three days and kinda' bad a coupla' more and had a cough hang on another coupla' weeks. I had to up my intake to 10000/day for a full year to get up to the mid-90 range which is a good place to be. The supplements we buy are precursors and need to process through the liver to become the D you need in the blood. Takes weeks and is a gradual thing. And it depends on age, weight, fatness how your level builds. I'm a 200# old guy carrying an extra 20# of lard. Younger and better shape fellers wouldn't need near as much. But "D" is cheap and the 5000 unit pill isn't any bigger than the 2000 unit pill.

I watch that Brit fellow Dr. Campbell pretty regular and he has interviewed a couple of those old Vitamin D researchers over the years. The last one I remember saying that fears of Vitamin D toxicity (which my local doc seems terrible skeered of) are totally overblown. He said you'd have to take some sort of 10X dose to get there.

[Old No7]

Thanks for this.

Here’s what my doctor gave me:

* PAXLOVID *
The one time I took it (1st case) that dang stuff made my mouth taste like nasty bile 24x7 for 3+ days, but it sure reduced the severity and duration. And, trying to avoid taking the Paxlovid again -- it helped spur me to be more careful trying to avoid getting it again. But -- that didn't happen...

Turns out I got Covid 3 times in 4 years (case 2 & 3 were very mild, very few symptoms and not severe at all), caught it on 3 business trips for < 2-hour flights where I did not wear a mask on the plane. Yet during those same 4 years, we did 2 vacation trips out of the country on > 6-hour flights and I never got the crud on those -- but I was wearing a mask ("Happy wife, happy vacation" you know what I mean...)

I hate the whole dang "wearing a mask" thing, but it's hard to argue that they were effective when I did wear them on 2 long flights, but were not effective at all when I didn't wear them on the 3 short flights.

Hope you feel better soon!

Old No7

[Oldncrusty]

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The other big factor that appears to make some people get sicker with covid versus other people as if they got vaccinated, particularly if they got multiple boosters. Again, in pretty much every other nation the data showed that the more vaccinations and boosters one had, the more likely they were to get severely ill. In the United States, the data collection was done differently (less accurately) and although it is not clear whether that was intentional or not, the effect was that almost alone among nations, the United States still has the government recommendation to be continuing vaccination and boosters.

Thanks for the write up doc. I never did get my head around your earlier efforts due to lack of time. One question- Which Vitamin D? 1,2,3 or all of them. Thanks

[Oldncrusty]

Here's hoping you do some return a!! kicking.

[GunnyMack]

The only thing worse than airplane germs is kindergarten germs!

[4t5]

Get better , Bud.

[Scott Tschirhart]

I’m feeling so much better now as I slept most of the day.

Thanks guy!

[Ysabel Kid]

Thanks for this.

Here’s what my doctor gave me:

* PAXLOVID *
The one time I took it (1st case) that dang stuff made my mouth taste like nasty bile 24x7 for 3+ days...
Old No7

+1

Took PAXLOVID for the second one, and I WISH I couldn't taste anything! Everything tasted awful, and even when I wasn't eating my mouth tasted like a rusty pipe for a couple weeks - long after the pills were done! No thanks!

Happy to hear that you are feeling better Scott. It is amazing what good sleep does for you!

[AJMD429]

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D3 is best.

Rest is always good.

Some folks who have trouble getting their vitamin D level up may also have magnesium deficiency. Doctors measure magnesium levels in the serum which is worthless but even when you measure the RBC magnesium levels it's not always that helpful. Sometimes the best thing is just to take a low dose of magnesium because unless you have really bad kidneys, you'll just pee out the excess.

See Rhonda Patrick ('FoundMyFitness') and Peter Attia ('The Drive') on YouTube on that issue and many others; they are pretty credible sources.

[KWK]

... the effect was that almost alone among nations, the United States still has the government recommendation to be continuing vaccination and boosters.

I just searched and found 4 for 4 foreign countries (UK, France, Japan, and Argentina) still recommend the vaccine and boosters, at least for for older people.

[Bronco]

Hope recover is swift complete!!

[AJMD429]

... the effect was that almost alone among nations, the United States still has the government recommendation to be continuing vaccination and boosters.

I just searched and found 4 for 4 foreign countries (UK, France, Japan, and Argentina) still recommend the vaccine and boosters, at least for for older people.

Yeah, big difference between recommending it for selected high-risk populations, versus MANDATING it for low-risk ones...!

Any time they attempt to hide data for over 50 years, or use force instead of education, it should raise concern for their integrity.

[Scott Tschirhart]

Thanks for this.

Here’s what my doctor gave me:

* PAXLOVID *
The one time I took it (1st case) that dang stuff made my mouth taste like nasty bile 24x7 for 3+ days,

Old No7

There is an unpleasant taste, but I really don’t know how to describe it. I got a good nights sleep last night and am feeling better.

[AJMD429]

I’m feeling so much better now as I slept most of the day.

Thanks guy!

I save stacks of old American Rifleman magazines and hunting books near the bedside for 'sick days' or 'rainy days' when I am mostly going to nap off and on, sip some herbal tea, and recover from whatever is going on.

As to the applicability of the vaccine for now and the forseeable future, this was a fairly balanced discussion with some devil's advocate questions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R87QLweXl1A It's interesting how the speaker says that folks who will refuse a statin due to (legitimately) feared side-effects may be the same ones who will eagerly take a Pfizer Covid Vax. Psychology and symbolism and fears affect us all, good and bad. I had a lady who refused to use a steroid cream for 10 days for severe poison ivy, due to potential side effects (from very long-term use) listed on the prescription insert, but has smoked a couple packs of cigarettes a day for 40 years, so risk/benefit is a VERY individually-perceived thing, for sure. I just try to give honest advice, but also try hard to respect each person's individual choice in such things. The bad thing is when physicians or politicians don't respect or allow individual choice.

[Sarge]

Hang in there Scott and I'm happy to hear you're doing better.

[El Chivo]

never got Covid during all the hoopla, even though I had to fly and was working at the time.

I had been taking the 10,000 iu vitamin D per day at the insistence of my doctor, but when I told other NPs that gave tests at work they couldn't believe it and thought it should be more like 10,000 per week. I cut it in half but still kept it up daily.

however I've become skeptical since I learned that the vitamin D3 we take is also used as rat poison. And the rat poison manufacturers state that long term exposure to the chemical (cholecalciferol) is harmful even in small doses.

since I'm suspicious that the Covid vaccine was intended to cull the population, I'm also now suspicious about all that excess vitamin D3 pushed by various doctors, they believe in it but they are a product of medical schools which are controlled by other agendas. Could be another way to erode our health long term so we don't mess up their brave new world order.

I still take one 5000 iu each week. It lists as 625% of the daily requirement, and it's fat soluble so should stay in my system for the week. I also drink milk which is laced with it. BTW, why do they do that? Like flouride in the water? But the new trend by some doctors of drenching your tissues with it is suspicious now.

I had been having some strange feelings such as twitching or tingling in my legs and feet, and heart flutters. That stuff has gone away since I cut back on the D3. However I also gave up caffeine and alcohol around the same time, so not sure what affects what.

I discussed this with my neighbor who was also doing high doses at the advice of his doctor, but wanted throw the D3 in the trash. He also thought it was doing something to him. He was happy to know it's fat soluble and he didn't have to take it every day. I'll have to ask him how he's doing with it.

[Scott Tschirhart]

I’m back in the saddle again boys! Thanks for your kind thoughts and prayers. Now I have a week of work to catch up on!

[Grizz]

never got Covid during all the hoopla, even though I had to fly and was working at the time.

I had been taking the 10,000 iu vitamin D per day at the insistence of my doctor, but when I told other NPs that gave tests at work they couldn't believe it and thought it should be more like 10,000 per week. I cut it in half but still kept it up daily.

however I've become skeptical since I learned that the vitamin D3 we take is also used as rat poison. And the rat poison manufacturers state that long term exposure to the chemical (cholecalciferol) is harmful even in small doses.

since I'm suspicious that the Covid vaccine was intended to cull the population, I'm also now suspicious about all that excess vitamin D3 pushed by various doctors, they believe in it but they are a product of medical schools which are controlled by other agendas. Could be another way to erode our health long term so we don't mess up their brave new world order.

I still take one 5000 iu each week. It lists as 625% of the daily requirement, and it's fat soluble so should stay in my system for the week. I also drink milk which is laced with it. BTW, why do they do that? Like flouride in the water? But the new trend by some doctors of drenching your tissues with it is suspicious now.

I had been having some strange feelings such as twitching or tingling in my legs and feet, and heart flutters. That stuff has gone away since I cut back on the D3. However I also gave up caffeine and alcohol around the same time, so not sure what affects what.

I discussed this with my neighbor who was also doing high doses at the advice of his doctor, but wanted throw the D3 in the trash. He also thought it was doing something to him. He was happy to know it's fat soluble and he didn't have to take it every day. I'll have to ask him how he's doing with it.

thanks for the info. we have mice and rats, i'm going to find out if D3 works . . .

[AJMD429]

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On the vitamin D, to be sure, just check your level. Many of us (who aren't the 'traditional' ones parrotting what the drug reps and insurance companies tell us) think a level in the 80's is ideal. I've NEVER seen symptoms of toxicity even when patients have had levels in the 140's due to taking too much, although I try to keep it under 100 (which near as I can tell is a very 'arbitrary' upper limit that was a matter of just figuring that 'ten times the lower limit should be ok' back when the lower limit was suggested to be at least 10. That has risen over the past 50 years to 30, but the upper bound remains unchanged.

So I don't think the vitamin D advocates are 'med school' minions, nor are they likely making money off of it, since so many makers have reputable products. We can get a company to put our photo on a bottle of their supplement, call it our 'special formula', and then they get more sales (if we are famous) and we get a cut. But that's pretty unlikely with vitamin D.

Still, a healthy skepticism seems reasonable with all matters of health and nutrition; too many fads and hidden agendas.

I find the 'internet' sources of most reliability to be Peter Attia, Rhonda Patrick, and Andrew Huberman. Of the three, only the latter one really advertises products, but seems to keep them separated from his topics pretty well. The others have books or other subscription services, but I've always double-checked and found their information to be credible.

[Rube Burrows]

Glad you're feeling better. I lost my father in law in April from Covid related lung problems.

[Scott Tschirhart]

Thanks gentlemen!

I feel great. But Kathy tested positive this morning. Her doctor can’t give her what I took because it would be too hard on her liver.

[GunnyMack]

Sorry to hear that Rube! The painter we use for our jobs has developed lung/ auto immune issues from covid.

Great Scott, Scott you gave it to your wife!! You be in the doghouse for sure! Seriously though I do hope she has a mild case and gets over it easily.

[Ysabel Kid]

Sorry to hear that Scott. I hope Kathy feels better soon!