What actually is "Taylor Throating": a clarification

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What actually is "Taylor Throating": a clarification

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I'm sending out my Ruger Bisley in 45 Colt, a gun already tuned by Bob Munden almost 20 years ago, to Milt Morrison of QPR Precision Gunsmithing. Milt has been around quite a long time as a gunsmith but is still unknown to many I think. Just a quick bio from his website:
About QPR Precision Gunsmithing
Milton Morrison is a nationally known, factory trained and certified gunsmith with over 35 years experience and is uniquely qualified in the firearms industry. As a graduate of the gunsmithing school at Lassen Community College in Susanville, CA he is considered one of the top gunsmiths in the country.

His background includes 10 years as gunsmith for the California Highway Patrol, owner and president of Qualité Pistol & Revolver (QPR, Inc.) a highly rated gunsmithing shop in Denver, CO where he designed, manufactured and distributed after-market parts for Ruger single actions.

More recently he served as a field engineer and weapons instructor for Lockheed Martin delivering armorer and firearms training classes to our troops, inspecting, maintaining and repairing all manner of foreign and domestic small arms weapons carried by the US Army.

His custom work has been published in numerous articles by John Taffin, Dean Grennell, Sheriff Jim Wilson in American Handgunner, Guns, Gun World and Shooting Times.
Milt was referred to me by a good friend, who also does some very high quality machine work, and my friend seemed to think that Milt is one of the most precise gunsmiths he has ever seen, the other he recommended was Ben Forkin.

My Bisley as done by Munden, has developed a hang up point in its trigger re-set, it needs a better front sight, and either "Taylor Throating" or what has become known as "Maxi Throating" as done by Gary Reeder.

Milt can do all of these things for me in one shop, as he is a full blown custom gun maker. He even used to design and manufacture after market Ruger parts as mentioned above.

I went looking on our forum to define what "Taylor Throating" is, and I was surprised to see, there was a lot of confusion as to what it actually was!!! Some even thought it was related to the forcing cone.

So in the interest of some further clarification, and why this can be a part of the "poor man's accuracy job" on your Ruger revolver, and I came across this post on another forum, the original description written by Jim Stroh of Alpha Precision (I believe Jim has left this Earth, sad to say, but I am not 100% certain yet). But Milton knew him rather well, and Jim had the most consice description of what "Taylor Throating" or "Maxi Throating" in Gary Reeders words, is.

I just thought I would post what Jim Stroh had to say about the technique and why it might be really beneficial to many of us. I probably can't shoot well enough anymore with a revolver to really benefit from it but perhaps the next owner of my "Munden" or "Milton" Special Bisley will after further accurizing.
From Jim Stroh's Alpha Precision website:

www.alphaprecisioninc.com/revolver/default.htm

"Essentially, the barrel throat is lengthened one and one half to two calibers, and enlarged to slightly over groove diameter. The throat serves as the throat in a rifle barrel, enabling the bullet to become perfectly aligned with the bore before engaging the rifling. The "choking" effect present from tightening the barrel into the frame is removed as well. The rifling leade is a very gentle 1 ½ degrees. On average, when tested before and after using a Ransom Rest, 50 yard groups have been reduced 40 to 50%. The improvement is there using both cast and jacket bullets. I have not detected a change in velocity using cast bullets. Before and after chronographing is within standard deviation of each test. Using jacket bullets, there is a slight loss, less than 50 fps in all the tests I’ve conducted. If the barrel cylinder gap is adjusted to minimum at the same time the Taylor Throating is done, there will not be a velocity loss with jacket bullets, usually a gain of 25 to 50 fps.

I am convinced Taylor Throating produces the greatest accuracy improvement value available. Line-bore chambering will produce the most accurate revolvers, but the cost is prohibitive for many. When the barrel is accurately recrowned; the forcing cone recut concentric to the bore; Taylor Throating is almost as accurate as line-bore chambering with a savings of several hundred dollars."
We are running out of "old school" gunsmiths as even Gary Reeder is retiring soon last I heard. Milton hopes to be around a while still. I think I will be pleased with his work as he is a Shootist and was referred to me by another Shootist, so I am confident I and my Bisley are in good hands.

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I’ve never had to resort to Taylor throating but I wouldn’t hesitate if I had one with a tight constriction ahead of the chamber throats.
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Thanks Bill! Yes, I remember publishing that.

I still have - and shoot - the Ruger .45 Colt Blackhawk that we initially did it to.

Hamilton Bowen has done Taylor Throated guns in the past. He may still but I am not sure .I don't know of any gunsmiths doing it now other than Gary Reeder. He worked with it and his design is a longer freebore that works well with the heavier bullets that are common today. He calls it the "Maxi Throat."
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Thanks Bill! I figured that article had to be around somewhere!!! I did do some searching but could not find it.
Jim, Milt indicated he can do it, and a few other things for me while Gary is very limited on time for my other upgrades. Randy A. recommended Milt to me, I think I will be in very good hands.

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Milt is a personal friend and also a great gunsmith. He has done guns for me and the work has always been excellent. I have known him for ... close to 30 years. He was the one who converted my .41 Magnum from the Super Blackhawk grip and hammer to the Bisley. The internal work on the hammer strut with an overtravel stop was a great addition to making it look and feel better!
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Milt built my Vaquero way back at the turn of the century. If I recall correctly he Taylor Throated it as well as the other work he did at the time. It's a lovely shooting sixgun and has been carried many a mile when opportunity takes us north.

As for the benefits of that kind of job, my Llama Cassidy is misaligned between the cylinder at lockup and the forcing cone of the barrel - just like every other Colombian built Llama sixgun I've had the opportunity to examine. Way back when Brownells sold a "Taylor Throating Reamer" and I obtained one for the 38/357 sixguns. Prior to use that pistol leaded something fierce on the side of the forcing cone impacted by the bullet upon leaving the cylinder. It also wouldn't group for sour apples. I'm not a crack shot, but I'm not that bad either! Anyway, after obtaining the reamer I cut the new throat in the barrel and the leading went away, the grouping improved and the restriction in the threaded portion of the barrel where it was tightened up also disappeared. If I could ever find a smith that is capable of properly aligning the cylinder and barrel then I'm sure this little pistol would shoot even better. As it is, it's miles ahead of where it was from the factory.

But I digress. Milt's a first class smith and I'm sure he'll do you a good job. Tell him "Hi!" for me. Missed seeing him at Holiday last year and I'm pretty sure he didn't make it this year either, nor did I.
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Bill in Oregon wrote: Sat Jun 29, 2024 5:30 am Ahem. I bet Jim remembers this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20020606140 ... throat.htm
Now that was an interesting read. I will be keeping this idea in mind.
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