WWII issued O3A3s
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WWII issued O3A3s
Is there a way to know if these rifles were issued and saw service?
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Re: WWII issued O3A3s
OS,
This is speculation on my part and what I picked up from other guys "in the know". A rifle in its exact configuration.......there were several "alternations"....A1...A2....etc. of most military guns.........that is still like new or has minor handling marks is considered "unissued". I once had a 1884 Trapdoor that was new..new...new....and that was considered unissued....until a guy offered me 25 for it..bye....my buddy has an 1814 North muzzleloading flintlock that is new...new...
But even that above description does not make sense as some officers or support troops who were not in combat just put their guns in the corner somewhere and escaped the alternations or some guys stole their own gun and shipped it home. Dunno....maybe someone here can expand on this.----6
This is speculation on my part and what I picked up from other guys "in the know". A rifle in its exact configuration.......there were several "alternations"....A1...A2....etc. of most military guns.........that is still like new or has minor handling marks is considered "unissued". I once had a 1884 Trapdoor that was new..new...new....and that was considered unissued....until a guy offered me 25 for it..bye....my buddy has an 1814 North muzzleloading flintlock that is new...new...
But even that above description does not make sense as some officers or support troops who were not in combat just put their guns in the corner somewhere and escaped the alternations or some guys stole their own gun and shipped it home. Dunno....maybe someone here can expand on this.----6
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Re: WWII issued O3A3s
Well Six, in reading the various history sources my take is since this was in the first 787 in 10-42 that SC made it went somewhere during the war. Because the bolt appears to be Parkerized it apparently went back to the arsenal. The barrel seems original in that it has the same date as the receiver. After giving the barrel a reasonably good multi stage cleaning I think it has been used but the 6 groove rifling remains strong and should be functional.
I will have to put some factory through to see how it performs. Would be interesting to know where SC sent those early production rifles. It does have the in the metal tube cleaning kit in the butt.
I will have to put some factory through to see how it performs. Would be interesting to know where SC sent those early production rifles. It does have the in the metal tube cleaning kit in the butt.
Re: WWII issued O3A3s
You'll have to look her over to see if you can identify any non SC parts that may have been switched out during the rearsenal. You also need to post pictures after your clean up!
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Re: WWII issued O3A3s
Well, it is not a her. There is no case I can see for a rifle being a her, think about it. I think he told me his name was Henry but that may have come through the mists of beer. But, I am working on that idea. The bolt so far appears to the only issue, not sure about the stock.
Re: WWII issued O3A3s
I prefer to have female firearms, but to each their own. I try not to judge!
If you haven't read Bruce Canfield's article, it has a few things about original Smith Corona parts
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... ona-03a3s/
My Smith Corona has been through a reasenal, but I have a Remington 03A3 that pretty much original with the mix of blued and parkerized finishes with all Remington parts as far as I can tell.
If you haven't read Bruce Canfield's article, it has a few things about original Smith Corona parts
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... ona-03a3s/
My Smith Corona has been through a reasenal, but I have a Remington 03A3 that pretty much original with the mix of blued and parkerized finishes with all Remington parts as far as I can tell.
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Re: WWII issued O3A3s
Well OS....this confirms what I already knew. My S-C was rebuilt ....why, I don't know as it sure was not shot much due to the condition of the bore which is like new. You figure if the bore is real nice, the rest of the gun must nearly match it.
Full on pic....has not changed much since it was rebuilt. I logged close to a thousand rounds out of it...99% cast at 17-1800
Remington bolt
I took this pic in a completely dark room. The bore is so bright, it shines by itself
Na....here's a pic of the six groove rifling.
Full on pic....has not changed much since it was rebuilt. I logged close to a thousand rounds out of it...99% cast at 17-1800
Remington bolt
I took this pic in a completely dark room. The bore is so bright, it shines by itself
Na....here's a pic of the six groove rifling.
Re: WWII issued O3A3s
Fred,
I have 2 03A3s, One SC and a Remington. Both of mine have 2 grove barrels. I don't know enough about them to know if they were overhauled but they both shoot great! There is a 1903 Facebok group that has a lot of very knowledgeable people in it. They are also most helpful.
IIRC the 2 grove barrels shoot best with heavy cast bullets. The 6 grove barrels are more forgiving if you want to shoot lighter cast slugs.
I have 2 03A3s, One SC and a Remington. Both of mine have 2 grove barrels. I don't know enough about them to know if they were overhauled but they both shoot great! There is a 1903 Facebok group that has a lot of very knowledgeable people in it. They are also most helpful.
IIRC the 2 grove barrels shoot best with heavy cast bullets. The 6 grove barrels are more forgiving if you want to shoot lighter cast slugs.
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Re: WWII issued O3A3s
Six, my rifling is not that good. But it looks good enough to shoot well. Good pics.
Rusty, I will look there.
AJ, on the genderization of objects, they seem like its to me but if they do have gender it would seem distinctly phallic.
Rusty, I will look there.
AJ, on the genderization of objects, they seem like its to me but if they do have gender it would seem distinctly phallic.
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Re: WWII issued O3A3s
Six, putting a light up the bore as in your pictures my bore looks somewhat like yours with some shine but there is still crud to come out.
It looks like an R on the underside of the root of the bolt handle and an 8 on the opposite upper side of the root of the bolt, assuming this is a Remington bolt in the original Smith Corona receiver/barrel. I think the lower wood is likely original not sure about the upper.
It looks like an R on the underside of the root of the bolt handle and an 8 on the opposite upper side of the root of the bolt, assuming this is a Remington bolt in the original Smith Corona receiver/barrel. I think the lower wood is likely original not sure about the upper.
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Re: WWII issued O3A3s
OS, you might try some JB bore paste in that bore, might shine it up for you.
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I will try that.
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OS,
As you know, the first pic of the bore is a joke, the second pic does not do the bore justice...it really is bright and shiny. This rifle will throw a 215 gr. cast gas check Lyman with 12 oz. beer can accuracy to 200 meters, quart sized malt liquor bottles at 300 meters, Antifa head accuracy at 385 meters and Muslim torso accuracy to 500 meters. Some day I need to test this rifle with 168 gr. Hornady HPBT at 2550 out to 500.....maybe this week. (Nice to be retired)
On another subject we had a long range match at 200,300,385,and 500 meters last weekend at the Atglen Gun Club. Using a heavy barreled Remington 700 with the new 5r rifling, 40X trigger and a $700 Vortex scope put 5 of those 168 gr. Hornadys into 3 and 1/2"..... .......at 500 meters. Scary accuracy...I was beating "most" of the guys with these new fangled 6.5 Creedmores chambered in $3 to 4,000 set ups.
Anyway, this is the back of the bolt on my SC....there is a "10" and a "49" in a box.
This is the mark on the stock...SA with a J
This is Miss Apple, "helping to take pictures" she's a little tired as she was fighting a softball sized toad on the back patio.----6
As you know, the first pic of the bore is a joke, the second pic does not do the bore justice...it really is bright and shiny. This rifle will throw a 215 gr. cast gas check Lyman with 12 oz. beer can accuracy to 200 meters, quart sized malt liquor bottles at 300 meters, Antifa head accuracy at 385 meters and Muslim torso accuracy to 500 meters. Some day I need to test this rifle with 168 gr. Hornady HPBT at 2550 out to 500.....maybe this week. (Nice to be retired)
On another subject we had a long range match at 200,300,385,and 500 meters last weekend at the Atglen Gun Club. Using a heavy barreled Remington 700 with the new 5r rifling, 40X trigger and a $700 Vortex scope put 5 of those 168 gr. Hornadys into 3 and 1/2"..... .......at 500 meters. Scary accuracy...I was beating "most" of the guys with these new fangled 6.5 Creedmores chambered in $3 to 4,000 set ups.
Anyway, this is the back of the bolt on my SC....there is a "10" and a "49" in a box.
This is the mark on the stock...SA with a J
This is Miss Apple, "helping to take pictures" she's a little tired as she was fighting a softball sized toad on the back patio.----6
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Re: WWII issued O3A3s
The mighty 03A3 is my most favorite rifle of all. Talk about versatile!
I have but two, an all military '06 (except that someone drilled & tapped it) and one by Sedgley. It's a 20 inch .257 Roberts. Man, do they shoot.
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I have but two, an all military '06 (except that someone drilled & tapped it) and one by Sedgley. It's a 20 inch .257 Roberts. Man, do they shoot.
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