ML Underhammer Handgun.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:21 pm

Was it T/C that made those? Lyman? I think you could get it in .50, or .54......Very cool shooter.

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:27 pm

BlaineG wrote:Was it T/C that made those? Lyman? I think you could get it in .50, or .54......Very cool shooter.

Hopkins and Allen made those. I had the rifle in .45 caliber. Since ,there have been several other makers. One (rifle) in .58 and .62 cal. With slow RB twist either .58 or .62 could reach 2,000 fps. A real stopper for sure. A Google search should reveal it's maker.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:48 pm

BlaineG wrote:Was it T/C that made those? Lyman? I think you could get it in .50, or .54......Very cool shooter.

don't waste your dinero, just hold the gun upside down and presto bingo, an underhammer

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:33 am

Grizz wrote:
BlaineG wrote:Was it T/C that made those? Lyman? I think you could get it in .50, or .54......Very cool shooter.
don't waste your dinero, just hold the gun upside down and presto bingo, an underhammer

Lol

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:54 pm

Chuck 100 yd wrote:
BlaineG wrote:Was it T/C that made those? Lyman? I think you could get it in .50, or .54......Very cool shooter.
Hopkins and Allen made those. I had the rifle in .45 caliber. Since ,there have been several other makers. One (rifle) in .58 and .62 cal. With slow RB twist either .58 or .62 could reach 2,000 fps. A real stopper for sure. A Google search should reveal it's maker.

My "Google Foo" is pretty good, but I can't find the one I'm looking for. This was back in the early 80s and were the only BP handgun that would qualify for Indiana deer hunting...They had a more modern look than the usual replicas.... I was a fairly popular brand that made lots of ML rifles.

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:35 pm

Google Boot Pistols to read more about them

Here's a pic of mine .

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:10 pm

Ben_Rumson wrote:Google Boot Pistols to read more about them Here's a pic of mine .

I know I'm being a PITA, but what I'm talking about was not a boot-sized pistol. They were Yuuuuge mamas, and suitable for hunting. You could stuff about 80 grains behind a 54 ball....

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:26 pm

NUMRICH Arms had those underhammer pistols and rifles. BOTH are the ONLY totally American designed guns. My old H&A HERITAGE model 45 caliber is a tackdriver and a killer of profound proportion I kid you NOT !

Old No7 · Post by **Old No7** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:53 pm

My twin brother has many more muzzleloaders than I do (like 9X as many, and I have 3...), and he's had some great fun and success using his underhammer rifle and pistol. They are pretty cool and easy to load and shoot -- just watch the hand holding the forearm so you don't get too close to the action and pick up some nasty burns.

That WILL get your attention!

But the good news is you'll only do it once...

He got a deer with his rifle years ago and just uses the old "boot pistol" for plinking, but either one always attracts some attention at the outdoor range when he brings them.

As for me???

I have resort to what Grizz suggested......................

Grizz wrote:don't waste your dinero, just hold the gun upside down and presto bingo, an underhammer

My underhammer TC sidelock:

TC Underhammer.jpg

Tight groups! Or, keeping with the theme, should I say: "!spuorg thgiT"

Old No7

Old No7 · Post by **Old No7** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:55 pm

One other useful tip...

For hunting with an underhammer -- make sure the nipple fits the cap tightly, so it doesn't fall down and off the gun.

That will ruin your hunt!

Old No7

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:17 pm

BlaineG wrote:
My "Google Foo" is pretty good, but I can't find the one I'm looking for.

This was back in the early 80s and were the only BP handgun that would qualify for Indiana deer hunting.

was a fairly popular brand that made lots of ML rifles.

.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:58 pm

I find the under hammers to be very cool, I`ve built a couple, even made a under hammer breech loader that used pre charged cases if that`s what one would call them.

Buck Elliott · Post by **Buck Elliott** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 9:15 pm

"2000 fps" with black powder..?

Highly doubtful

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Jan 23, 2017 10:23 pm

Buck Elliott wrote:"2000 fps" with black powder..?

Highly doubtful..

I no longer have the paperwork that came with my T/C Renegade Kit I put together in 1981, but IIRC a .54 RB with a max of 120gr Pyrodex P was just under 2000 fps....It was also wildly inaccurate. 95-100 grains was 2 or 3 moa....

765x53 · Post by **765x53** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:19 am

This site is apparently out of business but, lots of pretty pictures of under hammers. http://underhammers.blogspot.com/

Terry Murbach · Post by **Terry Murbach** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 4:15 pm

Buck Elliott wrote:"2000 fps" with black powder..?

Highly doubtful..

Yep Buck, my H&A HERITAGE 45 rifle sat right at 2000fps with 75grs of FFG under a tight patched ball and was highly accurate out to 100 yards after which it went pretty well kaput.
And so it goes...

Ben_Rumson · Post by **Ben_Rumson** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:17 pm

Looks like someone is parting one out. I saw the Peep sight for it too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hopkins-Allen-U ... SwA3dYY-M5

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:45 pm

Buck Elliott wrote:"2000 fps" with black powder..?

Highly doubtful

Buck, 2,000 fps is obtainable with long barreled Kentucky style rifles with slow twist and round ball.
Caliber is not a factor. It can be done with a .60 as easily as with a .36. With proper twist rate and patched ball they can be very accurate.

EdinCT · Post by **EdinCT** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:51 pm

When I was young in CT black powder deer was Round Ball only. I bought a 54 cal Sharon 1-72 twist barrel for my TC Hawken. 120 gr of ffg and a 235 gr .535 ball was 2000 FPS. What a deer hammer!
I always liked the H&A under hammers and they came in all cal's from .36 up if I remember right.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:52 am

Do an online search. There are several small makers out there.

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