Hey Sixgun ( and anyone else) Ever own a 1907 Winchester?

[2ndovc]

I've wanted an '07 Winchester for as long as I can remember but when I come across a good one it seems like I just bought something else and have to pass. The big question is the reloading of the .351 Win. There's ammo and components out there, though pricy. Any do's or don'ts that come to mind? Just starting to research it. Not in any of my reloading books, my oldest is mid '80s vintage.

I was looking at a good one last fall with police markings and a 10 round magazine but it didn't work out. There's still some good ones out there running around in need of a good home.

jb

[kaschi]

I've got the big brother Model 1910 in 401WSL. Very cool rifle.

[ollogger]

A year ago I passed on a 401 it didn't have a mag & from what I found the mag
was as much as the gun



Brad

[Sixgun]

Nope....never had one....never interested me.....I hate chasing brass.....especially EXPENSIVE brass. I do have a model 63 in .22 which is almost a look a like. Mike Venturino had a write up a couple of months ago on the .351.....I'll dig it up ....if I remember. IIRC the groove diameter is .351 so you can't use 357 handgun bullets. I have all kinds of data but it's in the dungeon and I'll dig that out too.....if I remember. -----6

[2ndovc]

Probably why I like the '07 so much is we have a 63 that belonged to my grandfather. Always enjoyed shooting that one. We had to have a new sear installed a few years ago. It would let loose with a 3-4 shot burst every now and then.
I hear ya on the brass thing, but it's not going to be an everyday shooter. Just another cool old Winchester to add to the collection. I'd love to find another one w/ PD markings or there are quite a few out there with British proof marks of WWI vintage.

olloger,
You're right, the .401's are even more expensive to fool around with.

jb

[BenT]

Grafs's has piles of plated bullets for the 351 and 401 Winchester, so bullets aren't a issue.

I use 357 brass and dies for the 351. I first turned the rim down by putting the brass in a drill press and using a file. Then I bought a mini lathe and it is easier now. The 357 brass is a little short but it is a non factor. H4227 is the powder to use, it fills the case, set the bullet and use a Lee 357 factory crimp die to hold the bullet. I plan on buying 351 dies some day, but this works. You will be suprised on how accurate it is.

I have also used 223 brass, cut at the shoulder, use an expander and trim to length.

I would suggest a small book by Leonard Speckin. Ispeckin@4n6.com

The 401 is even easier to reload. 41 mag dies and blow out brass of the 7.62 X39 , done. You can shorten the 414 supermag and turn the rim down also.

Fun guns gentlemen , you are missing out.

[Sixgun]

Ben,
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I never looked into the details of loading the 351 to any extent. The .401 interests me a bit more and yea, I've passed up nice ones over the years.

Well, after I get over this Uzi and other military semi thing thing I'll have to look into it.-----6

[2ndovc]

Grafs's has piles of plated bullets for the 351 and 401 Winchester, so bullets aren't a issue.

I use 357 brass and dies for the 351. I first turned the rim down by putting the brass in a drill press and using a file. Then I bought a mini lathe and it is easier now. The 357 brass is a little short but it is a non factor. H4227 is the powder to use, it fills the case, set the bullet and use a Lee 357 factory crimp die to hold the bullet. I plan on buying 351 dies some day, but this works. You will be suprised on how accurate it is.

I have also used 223 brass, cut at the shoulder, use an expander and trim to length.

I would suggest a small book by Leonard Speckin. Ispeckin@4n6.com

The 401 is even easier to reload. 41 mag dies and blow out brass of the 7.62 X39 , done. You can shorten the 414 supermag and turn the rim down also.

Fun guns gentlemen , you are missing out.

Thanks for the info!! I knew someone around here would know how to do it!

jb

[BenT]

I forgot to mention that I used 357 cast bullets that I sized to352 also. But the plated bullet are cost effective to use.
Same with the 401 (which uses.406 bullets) use 41 mag cast bullets and size them down.

You may aslo read about cutting extractor grooves in the brass. That is not neccesary because it is a direct blow back and that brass is coming out with or without the extrator groove.

I got my loads from the Lyman Cast Bullet manual.

[Sixgun]

OK....now I'm thinking smaller 9mm bullets could be easier to size down. Even jacketed 147 grainers could be sized 2 thou. down.----6

[Catshooter]

No experience with either the 351 or the 401 but I have shot quite a bit of "oversized" bullets. It raises the pressures, but often times less that the differences between shots. Richard Lee (of Lee Precision) says in his reloading manual that it's just a few hundred pounds. It doesn't really take that much to size the bullet down.


Cat

[Rusty]

Ben, if you're finding .357 mag brass to be a little short you might try looking for some 360 Wesson brass. It's a little longer than .357 Mag.