Favorite bad guy?

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:24 pm

I would have to vote for ... Morgan Woodward. He was almost a regular on Gunsmoke but played a good guy ( deputy 'Shotgun' on 'the life and times of Wyatt Earp. A very good actor.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:55 pm

Broderick Crawford. While most remember him for "Highway Patrol" he played a heavy in quite a few westerns. And did a very good job of it. In fact when I started to watch Highway Patrol it seemed strange that a bad guy was now the head of the cops.

Batman1939 · Post by **Batman1939** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:56 pm

Bruce Dern in The Cowboys was a guy you could really hate, but I think he's been pretty good in some other roles. He really abused John Wayne and scared the he__ __ out of the kid who dropped his glasses. But he got his just desserts in the end. Really made you want to cheer his demise.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:17 pm

Hans Gruber/Elliot Marston and many others played by Rickman.

m.wun · Post by **m.wun** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:28 pm

Eli Wallick. ( spelling way off)

Rube Burrows · Post by **Rube Burrows** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:44 pm

For me without a doubt it's Leo Gordon. He played on so many Gunsmoke, Cheyenne, Bonanza and countless others. As soon as I see him I know he's the bad guy.

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Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:48 pm

Hannibal Lecter

And another vote for Rickman

Thunder50 · Post by **Thunder50** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 7:49 pm

Third for Rickman!

Larkbill · Post by **Larkbill** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:07 pm

Bad guys begin and end with Bruce Dern and Rickman. Their built in sneer and attitude carry the day, you HAVE to hate 'em.

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:34 pm

For a short time I was a guard at Universal Studio`s back in late 1964, early 1965. I met Crawford and talked to him. Prior to that I didn't like him from Highway Patrol. He always was so overbearing. I was surprised, he was okay with me. He did have a reputation for drinking and was I suspect a little lit up when we talked. I asked him about the helicopter pilot he used on his series as he flew me on my first helicopter ride back in 1960 when I was a fire fighter in the NPS. He told me that he had dropped into a fire and got killed. That broke the ice and we got along.
One heavy that I seen throw a bad fit on the lot was Claude Akins. From what little I seen him misbehave I wanted nothing to do with him. Another "Bad actor" was Leo Gordon. Gordon did time for armed robbery in a bar during world war two off duty. He got shot in the stomach for his effort from one of the patrons in the bar and did time in San Quentin. So you might say he was the real deal.
What I did notice in the studio was other guards might say look out for so and so, I would meet them and get along with them and conversely some guards would like so and so and I might not. So you really cant go by what others think. Maybe you catch a good guy having a bad day or vice versa.
I heard a few bad story`s about Neville Brand`s behavior from another guard.

sureshot · Post by **sureshot** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:43 pm

I liked Jack Elam. He could be funny and evil at the same time.

Steve

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 8:52 pm

Not bad, just misunderstood. Blame it on their parents. LOL.

soon 2 retire · Post by **soon 2 retire** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:33 pm

Specifically Eli Wallach as Calvera in "The Magnificent Seven". Richard Boone in "Big Jake". And in general Henry Silva.

Bob in Friday Harbor, WA.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 10:30 pm

I thought Javier Bardem was a terrific bad guy in "No Country for Old Men" and "Skyfall".

Hawkeye2 · Post by **Hawkeye2** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:32 pm

Jack Palance. "Jack Palance exemplified evil incarnate on film -- portraying some of the most intensely despised villains witnessed in 50s westerns and melodrama."

guntar · Post by **guntar** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:15 am

I would have to agree with the Rickman, Elam, and Palance votes for multiple roles. The best bad guy for one movie, in my opinion, was Andy Robinson (Scorpio) in the original Dirty Harry.

Bullard4075 · Post by **Bullard4075** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:47 am

sureshot wrote:I liked Jack Elam. He could be funny and evil at the same time.

Steve

+1

James Russo (Broken Trail) also gets a nod.

earlmck · Post by **earlmck** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:28 am

Man, there have been a lot of good "bad guys" over the years. But on a more recent note I'm thinking "The Swede" from "Hell on Wheels" is doing a heck of a job.

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 2:06 am

Rickman again

Rube Burrows · Post by **Rube Burrows** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:28 am

earlmck wrote:Man, there have been a lot of good "bad guys" over the years. But on a more recent note I'm thinking "The Swede" from "Hell on Wheels" is doing a heck of a job.

I agree with this for sure.

I was thinking more along the lines of western sitcoms/series of yesteryear where I always seemed to see the same guys and they were always playing bad guys.

Of course any of the new western movies would have some pretty bad guys just due to what they are allowed to show these days.

M. M. Wright · Post by **M. M. Wright** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:09 am

For sure Bruce Dern and Jack Palance. We all remember Rickman form Quigley or as Snape on Harry Potter.
Forgot to say Struther Martin, my all time favorite bad guy.

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:28 am

Another vote here for Jack Elam. Heck of a nice guy. He passed away at his home in Ashland, Oregon, a few years back. When I was a newspaper editor in Medford, my entertainment reporter, Al Reiss, used to play cards with Jack regularly. I told Al to tell Jack next time he saw him that I thought he absolutely carried all the mail in "Rio Lobo."
Jack was so tickled he sent me a nice note and his autograph.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:58 am

Lee Van Cleef { http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001812/?ref_=nv_sr_1 }

With his narrow pointy face he just oozed evil meanness.

Joe

Jon49 · Post by **Jon49** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:36 am

Robert Wilke, one of the best sneers of all time.

Hawkeye2 · Post by **Hawkeye2** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:47 am

DeForest Kelley. Long before he was Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy Kelley was a very convincing villain, so much so that he feared being typecast as such.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:03 pm

earlmck wrote:Man, there have been a lot of good "bad guys" over the years. But on a more recent note I'm thinking "The Swede" from "Hell on Wheels" is doing a heck of a job.

I'd gut that sucker in a heartbeat.
Now that I think of it, there are not many on that show up for sainthood.

"The Sons Of Anarchy" weren't up for Christians of the Year, either.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 1:21 pm

Edmund Blackadder.

tman · Post by **tman** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:20 pm

J Miller wrote:Lee Van Cleef { http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001812/?ref_=nv_sr_1 }

With his narrow pointy face he just oozed evil meanness.

Joe

Another vote for "ANGEL EYES".

tman · Post by **tman** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:23 pm

And Elli Wallach. Perhaps the best developed charater and finest performance of a "bad guy' in "THE GOOD,THE BAD AND THE UGLY".

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:50 pm

Rickman for sure. Eli Wallich, Lee Van Cleef, and Jack Palance. I liked Bruce Dern once upon a time... but after what he did to JW on The Cowboys, he makes the list. And yes, Chistopher Heyerdahl as "the Swede" on HoW needs a guttin' along with my favorite good "bad" guy, Ian McShane as Al Swearengen on Deadwood! He seems to out-evil the bad guys on that show... even when doin' it is good!

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:13 pm

Speaking of Alan Rickman, "Eye in the Sky" is set to be released this spring. He plays one of the "good" guys...

tman · Post by **tman** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:47 pm

Rickman always reminded me of Basil Rathbone.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:54 pm

Harmon did a credible job in Cross Fire Trail. I think it's the only time he played the bad guy.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:37 pm

HILLARY CLINTON

Daisyman · Post by **Daisyman** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:02 pm

J Miller wrote:Lee Van Cleef { http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001812/?ref_=nv_sr_1 }

With his narrow pointy face he just oozed evil meanness.

Joe

I would agree 100 percent. I was looking down the list of the bad guys and was also thinking of Lee Van Cleef and there he was.... All the other ones mentioned were also really good at being bad guys.

P.S. I just watched the documentary on PBS about Leopold and Loeb, the young guys that killed Tommy Franks in the 1920's. They would make the cowboys look like choir boys. Talk about evil.......

piller · Post by **piller** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:54 am

Old Ironsights wrote:Edmund Blackadder.

The first, second, third, or goes forth?

My vote goes for George Kennedy. In Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, he was evil incarnate. Lee Marvin was good as a bad guy, but Kennedy could be scary.

cas · Post by **cas** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:54 am

Old Ironsights wrote:Edmund Blackadder.

He was rather cunning.

piller · Post by **piller** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:08 am

cas wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:Edmund Blackadder.
He was rather cunning.

Wasn't it Baldrick who had the cunning plans?

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:24 am

Can't answer because that puts this thread into the Politics forum.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:20 am

JohndeFresno wrote:Can't answer because that puts this thread into the Politics forum.

One of my thoughts too.

Mark Harmon was a slimy jerk in Crossfire Trail. I was glad the gal blew him up with that Centennial.

Joe

Ridgerunner · Post by **Ridgerunner** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:29 am

How about Blue Duck in Lonesome Dove??? Nasty $0b

Ridgerunner · Post by **Ridgerunner** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 10:36 am

jeepnik wrote:Harmon did a credible job in Cross Fire Trail. I think it's the only time he played the bad guy.

While not a western, Harmon played Ted Bundy in "The Deliberate Stranger" and John Dillinger in "Dillinger". Real life bad guys....Couldn't watch NCIS for the longest time because of "Stranger" but enjoy the show now....

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 11:09 am

Eric Schweig, "Native American actor" he played Pesh-Chidin in "The Missing" he was just plain evil.....

saw whet owl · Post by **saw whet owl** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:26 pm

Hi - this is my first post.

Some great "bad guy" candidates here, for sure.

I would submit Bill McKinney - he played Clint Eastwood's nemesis in "The Outlaw Josie Wales." He also played one of the most despicable villains in cinema history in "Deliverance."

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:48 pm

saw whet owl wrote:Hi - this is my first post.

Some great "bad guy" candidates here, for sure.

I would submit Bill McKinney - he played Clint Eastwood's nemesis in "The Outlaw Josie Wales." He also played one of the most despicable villains in cinema history in "Deliverance."

and Welcome to THE Forum!

veeman · Post by **veeman** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:53 pm

Ben Foster and Russell Crowe in 3:10 to Yuma

JohndeFresno · Post by **JohndeFresno** » Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:34 pm

Griff wrote:
saw whet owl wrote:Hi - this is my first post.

Some great "bad guy" candidates here, for sure.

I would submit Bill McKinney - he played Clint Eastwood's nemesis in "The Outlaw Josie Wales." He also played one of the most despicable villains in cinema history in "Deliverance."
and Welcome to THE Forum!

+1 - Welcome!

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Thu Feb 11, 2016 6:19 pm

BlaineG wrote:Hans Gruber/Elliot Marston and many others played by Rickman.

Question. Was Elliot Marston, as played by Rickman a bad guy? Or since what the character was doing, at the time he was supposed to be doing it, acceptable behavior, is he a good guy made bad by revisionist history? In fact considering the time and place of the movie, isn't Selleck's Quigley really the bad guy?

MtnGun · Post by **MtnGun** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:42 am

Richard Boone, playing Cicero Grimes in HOMBRE. Now there was a bad guy!

Bill in Oregon · Post by **Bill in Oregon** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:21 am

I liked Frank Silvera in "Hombre" as well.