UP-DATE: Kel-Tec SUB-2000 in 9mm (Glock 17 mags)...

[1894c]

I recently sold all of AR stuff--in the end I really like leveguns more, probably explains why I hang out here. BUT, I just picked up a Kel-Tec SUB-2000 in 9mm (uses Glock 17 mags) at my local LE LGS, got it for $380.00 NIB. Always wanted one...the rifle reminds me of a design that a "resistance group" would design and build--it is literally a basic semi-auto, nothing fancy. I just realized that I can use those Glock 33 rnd 9mm mags too..so bring on the revolution... :)

SHOOTING UP-DATE (04/17): took the SUB-2K to a local gravel pit and shot clay pigeons at 65 yards (measured)...didn't take pictures, but had no issues with the gun. A friend and I took turns firing the gun and we were impressed how well it shot (minute-of-clay pigeon) and how well it functioned, especially since we were shooting the Remington White-Box 115gr. stuff (that stuff shoots dirty), we shot 200 rounds. Again, this is a basic, and I mean basic gun, but allot of fun... :)

PS-- the following is a link to the new re-designed SUB-2k Gen II, I have an order for one of those too...
http://www.thektog.org/Enter-the-Gen-II ... -KTOG.html

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NEW IMPROVED SUB-2K GEN-2.jpg

[Grizz]

I have the 9 with beretta magwell. Put the buffer in it and it does soften the recoil a bit.

when I find a 40 I will buy that.

However, I didn't dump my ARs.

Grizz

[Panzercat]

What did you have to sacrifice to get it at normal price? Who did you have to sacrifice?

[1894c]

What did you have to sacrifice to get it at normal price? Who did you have to sacrifice?

Panzercat -- I just walked in to my favorite LGS last Wednesday and there it was at $400.00 (they just got it in, it was the second SUB-2K they had seen in three years), I was given a slight LE discount so I got it for $380.00...I should have gone out and bought a lottery ticket... :)

Grizz -- I owned a .40S&W SUB-2K three years ago and sold it when I went all 9mm all the time (boy did that round hammer with authority out of that 16" barrel), I thought I could just find a 9mm--WRONG--and since I refused to pay the high prices on gunbroker.com I simply waited...and waited...and waited...

[vancelw]

I started to buy one of those back when they were $299 (pre-panic, pre-$800) but just couldn't make myself do it. In retrospect, the folding capability would have been handy to stow it away somewhere, but that wasn't what I was looking for at the time.

I considered a Marlin camp rifle, but prices were stupid and capacity was limited. I ended up with a Just Right Carbine and love it, but it does weigh more and take up more room than a Sub 2000.

[Grizz]

1892

I passed on a 9mm years ago because I wanted a .40. that was stupid. it took about three years to run into the 9 and I would not have seen it if it had a glock magwell.

as with the .40, the 9 has more whack-um from the longer barrel. noticeable on steel reactive targets.

look forward to your shooting reports

[TedH]

I would like to have a 9mm that takes the Beretta mags, so long as I could make the same mags work in my Taurus 92. Might just trade it off on a Glock 9mm, they seem a lot easier to find in the Sub2K than the Beretta magazine models.

[tman]

As a pure defensive piece it makes more sense than a full size battle rifle. Easier to transport and conceal. With the 33 shot mags, you are ready for anything.

[piller]

I have one in .40 S&W that uses Glock magazines. PillHer likes it as much as I do. That longer barrel makes the noise a little less at the ear, and the bullets have a really nice crack sound as they exit. I paid $400 plus tax about a year ago.

[firefuzz]

IMHO, the Sub-2000 with a Glock mag well and a mag pouch with a half-dozen 33rd factory mags is the perfect ground-travel/get home gun there is.

Rob

[Grizz]

IMHO, the Sub-2000 with a Glock mag well and a mag pouch with a half-dozen 33rd factory mags is the perfect ground-travel/get home gun there is.

Rob

but'cept, I can ride around with full mag in the ar pistol with no legal problems, but if I have a mag in the sub2k, even if it's folded up, it's jailbait. can't take the risk so I haul the ar around. clever "lawmakers".

@piller: Do you suppose the .40 s&w in the carbine is near to the 10 mm from a pistol in performance?

Grizz

[Panzercat]

I'd go for one of those Gen II models. Not that I expect to see one in my lifetime with the state of keltec's production. I've pretty much resolved myself to getting an AK pistol for the same approximate size, if not weight. If I did see one, it would be on my immedite do-not-ask-questions-buy-buy-buy list.

[AJMD429]

...I can ride around with full mag in the ar pistol with no legal problems, but if I have a mag in the sub2k, even if it's folded up, it's jailbait....

Around here many cops would start to shake and/or drool if they 'found' an AR pistol during a traffic stop (or whatever), and you can be SURE they would 'find' evidence of a crime (even if they had to plant it themselves) as an excuse to 'take that weapon off the street' (make a handy gift for their nephew's birthday).

Guess I am kinda cynical, but even when the LAW is on your side, it doesn't always mean the cops will be...

[piller]

Grizz, from what I read on Kel Tec's website, the improved performance in the 16 inch barrel is supposed to make the .40 have a velocity in the range of the 10mm from a pistol. I have not run it over a chronograph, so I can't say for sure. I haven't been shooting much for about a year due to an eye infection that nearly took the vision in my right eye. On this last Wednesday, I just got the all clear, and I plan on getting some range time in once I get a few chores caught up. I will take my Glock model 22 and the Kel Tec and find out what the velocity difference is while using the same bullets. Winchester white box seems like a good starting point since we all know them and their performance is well documented on paper targets.

[AJMD429]

Do you suppose the .40 s&w in the carbine is near to the 10 mm from a pistol in performance?

I think I referenced an article on that very topic but using the MechTech 'upper'. I'll see if I can find it.

Try this one...I can't check cuz I'm on my phone in a dead zone but I think this guy did tests on all three chambering in the 16" barrel 'upper' so you could compare his 40 S&W data to the 10mm handgun data out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiOLTN_320c

Oops that wasn't it...I'll keep looking...