Which is quieter?

bluesman423 · Post by **bluesman423** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:40 pm

After looking for two days I guess I'll ask you guys here ............... I am looking for a rifle that will fire quietly. I am not interested in the paperwork and wait for a suppressor so ..............

Is a 22 rifle with a 24 inch barrel firing 22 CB shorts or longs quieter AT THE MUZZLE than a 22 caliber pellet rifle (with or without a built in "silencer") that can be purchased for $250 or less?

I understand that many of the pellet rifles in that price range have quite a bit of noise from the firing mechanism but I am only concerned with the noise at the muzzle.

Thanks if you can help.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:43 pm

Save your money and buy the ammo.....the sound will be similar....but different.

If your looking to shoot the neighbor's cat, just use regular standard velocity and tape a 2 liter bottle on the muzzle...fill it with toilet paper...the bottle

Anything you shoot, you want it to stay shot....so this boils down to if your need to rid the neighborhood of a pest, use standard velocity ammo or you will be front page news if the pest makes it home.------6

JerryB · Post by **JerryB** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:49 pm

I figure the .22 will not be as loud as the airgun. I use the old gum rubber baby bottle nipples. Just pull one up over the end of the barrel, very silent.

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:16 pm

Buy the Gammo "Whisper". Unless you want to hunt down 22 CB Shorts or Super Colibri's out of a 26" barrel.

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:06 pm

bluesman423 wrote: Is a 22 rifle with a 24 inch barrel firing 22 CB shorts or longs quieter AT THE MUZZLE than a 22 caliber pellet rifle (with or without a built in "silencer") that can be purchased for $250 or less?

Don't know about CB shorts. Super Colibri are way quieter. I can sell you some to try.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:10 pm

Aguila Super Colibri is quieter from a rifle than a typical high-pressure .177 pellet rifle.

A .357 Rossi loaded with 158gr cast bullets loaded to just barely subsonic using your favorite powder is even quieter... and more deadly.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Tue Oct 28, 2014 10:42 pm

When on occasion I've been in need of discreet fire, I used my old Remington 512 with standard velocity ammo. I stayed back inside the house or garage and shot through a slightly opened window. I found the CB's to be just as loud but lacked the power and accuracy of standard velocity.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:47 am

bluesman423 wrote:After looking for two days I guess I'll ask you guys here ............... I am looking for a . fle that will fire quietly. I am not interested in the paperwork and wait for a suppressor so ..............

Is a 22 rifle with a 24 inch barrel firing 22 CB shorts or longs quieter AT THE MUZZLE than a 22 caliber pellet rifle (with or without a built in "silencer") that can be purchased for $250 or less?

I understand that many of the pellet rifles in that price range have quite a bit of noise from the firing mechanism but I am only concerned with the noise at the muzzle.

Thanks if you can help.

What do you want to shoot? A Sheridan .20 with just 4 pumps is very quiet will do head shots on cats coons squills etc

1894cfan · Post by **1894cfan** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:17 am

Like most hunting situations, it all boils down to where you hit the game animal. That being said, out of a 24" barrel CB shorts and longs SHOULD be quiet enough. I haven't had any complaints over the years. On colder days you shouldn't have too much of a problem 'cause people tend to keep their windows and doors closed. HTH

FLINT · Post by **FLINT** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:21 am

That is a really good question actually, and one that I should test out since I have several adult airguns and also some CB shorts.

I know that the CB shorts aren't as quiet from my sons 16" barrel youth Henry lever action as I remembered them being from a long barreled remington bolt action .22 I used to have. I remember that rifle was super quiet with CBs - almost no noise at all. definitely quieter than a high powered air rifle.

only problem with the CBs is that unless you have some already, good luck finding any now. oh, and be careful about firing some of these primer only .22s through a long barreled rifle, i've heard that some of the colibri's will not make it all the way down a long barrel. I think the CCI CBs are ok. I also have some CCI "quiet 22" ammo that is fairly quiet. less than standard velocity.

I do disagree about the Sheridan though - while I love sheridan's and own 3, they are actually fairly loud as fair as air guns go. have a pretty sharp crack. maybe not so bad with 4 pumps, but with 6-8 they are not quiet at all.

spring powered rifles don't have the same crack as the pump guns, but have a different loud clang sound when fired. also not really quiet.

I'll try to test this out. I'll get my son to help me make a video maybe. He would LOVE that.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:02 am

how about a trap with a 50-cent can of meow mix fishy cat food?
then you need one dispatch shot, and you could do that out in the boonies

Thunder50 · Post by **Thunder50** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:21 am

Don't think they make them now, but my Grandfather used CCI mini-caps, a quiet 22 short, to deadly and quiet effects on the crows at the farm when they were raiding the pecan tree. They really didn't know where the noise was from, only that one of their own fell to the ground.
IIRC, the velocity of the 29gr bullet was only 700fps or a bit less. His 22 had a 24" bbl.

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:35 am

my dad bought caps in a retail store a few weeks ago - they don't even count as ammo in Texas, no registration.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:27 pm

bulldog1935 wrote:my dad bought caps in a retail store a few weeks ago - they don't even count as ammo in Texas, no registration.

It's been a really LONG time since I bought any ammo at retail (excepting shotshells)... what's this registration for ammo?

2X22 · Post by **2X22** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:44 pm

I've shot thousands of CCI CB Caps for years, because they are quieter than a pellet gun. At least, out of a bolt action with a 24" barrel, it is so quiet the firing pin is about the loudest part. Great killers of crows and cats.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:39 pm

My 22lr rifle, with can, shooting sniper 60gr subsonic ammo is quieter than my .20 cal spring air rifle. By a lot. My air rifle is super sonic by some 200 ft/sec. The 60 grain subsonic does not shoot well in all rifles. It shoots great in mine. I'm thinking it's about the same DB level without the can.

FLINT · Post by **FLINT** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:57 am

if it is a cat you are after, acetaminophen is completely silent

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:31 am

Griff wrote:
bulldog1935 wrote:my dad bought caps in a retail store a few weeks ago - they don't even count as ammo in Texas, no registration.
It's been a really LONG time since I bought any ammo at retail (excepting shotshells)... what's this registration for ammo?

you have to fill out a state form when you purchase ammo - caps don't count

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 3:58 pm

I feel the neighbor`s cats are in danger.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:09 pm

rjohns94 wrote:My 22lr rifle, with can, shooting sniper 60gr subsonic ammo is quieter than my .20 cal spring air rifle. By a lot. My air rifle is super sonic by some 200 ft/sec. The 60 grain subsonic does not shoot well in all rifles. It shoots great in mine. I'm thinking it's about the same DB level without the can.

If you really want Q-U-I-E-T then this setup is spooky-quiet...

Thompson Machine 'Operative' on a Ruger 96/22; the can is made for 10/22's, but is so quiet that I thought it silly to put it on a semiauto with a clackety-clack bolt going back and forth.

I've shot this into winter woods at low-incline snow banks 200 yards away, so I can see how quiet the gun is (vs. bullet impact), and even then, the bullet impact into that distant snow is louder than anything else. All you hear is the hammer fall and the bullet impact.

Now I wonder what it would be like on a striker-fired gun where there is no hammer-fall...

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:48 pm

What I was meaning to say is that my 22lr subsonic rounds with out the can is same db level as the .20 Cal pellet rifle. With the can, all I hear is bullet strike on game.

1894cfan · Post by **1894cfan** » Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:59 pm

Booger Bill wrote:I feel the neighbor`s cats are in danger.

Uh, yep!

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 2:03 am

rjohns94 wrote:My 22lr rifle, with can, shooting sniper 60gr subsonic ammo is quieter than my .20 cal spring air rifle. By a lot. My air rifle is super sonic by some 200 ft/sec. The 60 grain subsonic does not shoot well in all rifles. It shoots great in mine. I'm thinking it's about the same DB level without the can.

It's my belief that a pump-up is much quieter than a spring fired....This thread reminds me that my Sheridan Silver Streak is down and out and needs a good rebuild.....

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 10:45 am

rjohns94 wrote:The 60 grain subsonic does not shoot well in all rifles.

Yep. Be careful using them if you do get a suppressor, because if they are wobbling (due to long length plus low velocity) you could get baffle-strikes (may help if you use an over-caliber suppressor like when I use the 357 caliber Mystic on a 22 LR). If the barrel is a fast-twist one made with the anticipation you'll be using heavy subsonics, it reduces the risk. Of course if you don't have a suppressor on it, and you don't demand pinpoint accuracy, it may not matter to the feral cat (or whatever) if the bullet hits a bit sideways instead of nose-first.

You can shoot the 60 grain SSS's at 100 yards at good crisp target paper with good backing, and pretty well tell if they are keyholing or not.

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:40 pm

CCI CBshorts are always the quietest rounds I have ever fired. Out of a 24" 39A the hammer hitting the firing pin and the bullet hitting its mark are the loudest sounds I here.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:48 pm

Aguila Super Colibri's are the quietest things I've ever shot - bar none. Much quieter than a standard .177 or .22 pellet. Okay, my old Red Ryder may be quieter.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:57 pm

The Super Colibri's don't always exit a long barrel. Especially after a couple dozen rounds.

I have a Martini-Greener with a 30" barrel and is super quiet with CB shorts and Longs.
Sounds like a breaking tree branch.

jb

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 5:36 pm

Agreed. I use the Super Colibri's for rifles, and the Colibri's for handguns. Still, I wouldn't shoot too many of the former in a row. Just asking for one to lodge in the barrel!

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:05 pm

2ndovc wrote:The Super Colibri's don't always exit a long barrel. Especially after a couple dozen rounds.

I have a Martini-Greener with a 30" barrel and is super quiet with CB shorts and Longs.
Sounds like a breaking tree branch.

jb

I always rod the barrel between Super Colibri shots. They don't work the action anyway, so why not?

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:58 pm

The 60 grainers through my suppressor are single hole at 25 yards when shooting my PWS SUMMIT. I have had none stick after several boxes of them. On opening day, 4 squirrels, neck shots all top of tree kills, 40-50 yards each shot. I'm very impressed with the accuracy and performance. My silencer is a permanent fixture on this rifle. It's my woods walking rifle for all occasions except general season for deer and muzzleloading.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:39 pm

rjohns94 wrote:The 60 grainers through my suppressor are single hole at 25 yards when shooting my PWS SUMMIT. I have had none stick after several boxes of them. On opening day, 4 squirrels, neck shots all top of tree kills, 40-50 yards each shot. I'm very impressed with the accuracy and performance. My silencer is a permanent fixture on this rifle. It's my woods walking rifle for all occasions except general season for deer and muzzleloading.

I'll bet lots of us would like some PICTURES and a thread about this...

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Fri Nov 07, 2014 9:20 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
rjohns94 wrote:The 60 grainers through my suppressor are single hole at 25 yards when shooting my PWS SUMMIT. I have had none stick after several boxes of them. On opening day, 4 squirrels, neck shots all top of tree kills, 40-50 yards each shot. I'm very impressed with the accuracy and performance. My silencer is a permanent fixture on this rifle. It's my woods walking rifle for all occasions except general season for deer and muzzleloading.
I'll bet lots of us would like some PICTURES and a thread about this...

YEP!

rodeo kid · Post by **rodeo kid** » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:52 pm

I would be wary of using CB shorts or longs in a 24" barrel. They might not exit the barrel completely every time. I use them in my Henry large loop carbine all the time, but it only has a 16" barrel. I only have 5 acres with houses on either side of me maybe 100 yards away and they have never noticed the noise. As others have stated, the noise level is very close to that of my air gun, just different. God Bless.

t.r. · Post by **t.r.** » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:44 am

44 Special fired in a 44 MAG carbine is exceptionally quiet and no recoil either.

TR

Ray · Post by **Ray** » Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:59 pm

t.r. wrote: ↑Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:44 am 44 Special fired in a 44 MAG carbine is exceptionally quiet and no recoil either.

TR

B.T.T. & the best, no nonsense answer ever !

EdinCT · Post by **EdinCT** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:50 am

I am impressed by the CCI quiets with the segmented hollow points. Shot into a gallon milk jug full of water at 25 Yards and I did get three exit holes.
I used to shoot opossums on the porch with cb longs but they always walked off aways and I think there brain must be the size of a pea.
I did get better results when I filed the cb longs nose flat though.

mikld · Post by **mikld** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:19 am

Hmmm. Lost of speculation as to what bluesman 423 wants quiet ammo for and the thread quickly went to shooting cats. I shoot 22 rimfires in my shed for fun and would shoot my 44s if they weren't so loud and frighten the neighbors. I didn't find any available here but I would try 22 Shorts. I'd like more info as the want/need for quiet shooting...

An aside; If someone shot a pet of mine they should expect to be shot themselves...

gcs · Post by **gcs** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:17 pm

The longer the barrel, the quieter it will be, Sub sonic ammo is twice as expensive then regular target rounds...which are sub sonic. I run the target rounds through Pacos 22 whack a mole tool, it puts a nice flat metplate on the bullet, at that low speed hollow points aren't very effective. 22 shorts are somewhat quiet but not subsonic. CB cap longs are fine for close in work, as is using your house or truck as a silencer, just back away from the window a bit.
I can't legally comment on the soda bottle trick, but I hear it helps...

Limit the shooting to ONE shot only, it's difficult to triangulate the sound that way and of course cool weather with everyones windows closed is very helpful.

I think that covers it. I don't speculate on what needs shooting and I don't care, just be patient and make your ONE shot the only one you need.....

JimT · Post by **JimT** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:47 pm

bdhold wrote: ↑Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:31 am you have to fill out a state form when you purchase ammo - caps don't count

Where do you live? I have never encountered that!

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:19 pm

Old Ironsights wrote: ↑Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:10 pmA .357 Rossi loaded with 158gr cast bullets loaded to just barely subsonic using your favorite powder is even quieter... and more deadly.

Yep. Even from a 16" barrel they can be quiet, but from a 24" they are really quiet...!

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"...I run the target rounds through Pacos 22 whack a mole tool, it puts a nice flat meplat on the bullet..."

That would be a great name for his device, and easier to spell than "Acu-rzr"...

It IS a great tool though - http://www.pacotools.com/tool_discriptions - anyone with a 22 LR ought to get one, for both 'fun' and 'serious' applications.

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:48 pm

bdhold wrote: ↑Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:35 am my dad bought caps in a retail store a few weeks ago - they don't even count as ammo in Texas, no registration.

I am surprised that , in TEXAS, you have registration of ammo.

vancelw · Post by **vancelw** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:27 pm

Texas has no ammo or gun registration

wm · Post by wm » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:37 pm

If your issue is animals, pets or pests, you can ask your local animal control unit for a live trap. Most units have them to loan to people. Most of the time they will even come pick up the trap and animal relieving you of that headache.

Just a possible alternative to shooting.

Wm

FLINT · Post by **FLINT** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:15 pm

It greatly depends on the individual rifle.

MOST .22's I've shot with CBs were definitely louder than MOST airguns.

However, we used to have a Remington bolt action - I think it was a model 512 or something like that - and with CBs it was totally quiet. that was such an accurate rifle too.

I have personally had terrible luck with those super low velocity .22s - the colibris - very inaccurate.

In general a quality airgun will be more accurate than a .22 rimfire

as an airgun enthusiast, i would highly recommend that you stay away from those very popular chinese break action airguns. if that is your alternative, then I would definitely try for a quiet rimfire instead.

Blaine - if you read this - I highly recommend MAC1 airguns - they are in califormia. Tim McMurray has been working on sheridans for decades and he can do anything you need to your sheridan. You don't have to go for the steroid tune - though I have had him steroid a couple of my sheridans, and they are NOT quiet

but do put out some power!
If you do send your sheridan to him and it isn't already drilled and tapped for the williams receiver sight - have him do it - its by far the best thing you can do for a sheridan.

Booger Bill · Post by **Booger Bill** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 11:34 pm

Final answer; a blowgun.

piller · Post by **piller** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 10:18 am

The Crickett .22s with Super Colibri are nice and quiet. All I hear is the bolt dropping. My son's was accurate. He got bored with the target and pellet trap and started hunting sparrows about 7 or 8 years old. It worked great for that.

Thunder50 · Post by **Thunder50** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:26 pm

I have used the CCI Mini Caps (might be called CB caps nowadays) on crows, raccoons, ect. to great effect. Grandad had an old Savage semi auto 22 with a bolt you could lock and use it single shot. Had a 24" barrel. Very quiet. Never had a bullet stuck in the bore.

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:01 pm

jdad wrote: ↑Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:16 pm Buy the Gammo "Whisper". Unless you want to hunt down 22 CB Shorts or Super Colibri's out of a 26" barrel.

I have a Gamo Whisper I shoot in the winter, and they are not quiet. It has quite the crack at around 1400 fps. Since it's breaking the sound barrier, most .22 LR ammo that's target or low velocity is quieter with a decent length barrel.
My old Benjamin pump is quieter than my Gamo, but also lower velocity.

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:01 pm

Double post. deleted

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 9:08 pm

vancelw wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:27 pm Texas has no ammo or gun registration

Gun registration is Federal, not state. So every new gun purchased in Texas has to go through Federal background check, just like every state in the USA>