mini mauser 7.62 precision

[Mescalero]

Would it be possible to gather the parts to make a mini mauser in 6.5 Grendal, or do you think buy the whole rifle and rebarrel to 6.5 Grendal is going to be the only way?
You seem to able to talk to these people directly.

[Canuck Bob]

Some CZ 527 micro mauser owners convert to that cartridge. Particularly the Carbine model with sights in 7.62X39. It is stocked for irons and looks like a dandy configuration for a hunting rifle.

Here's a link http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthre ... 426-Cz-527

I'll have to look up what a 6.5 Grendel is!!!

[7.62 Precision]

I think the best and most inexpensive way is going to be to find a Mini-Mauser in 7.62x39 and then re-barrel it. You may be able to scrounge around and find parts to assemble one, but likely will pay more in the end. The magazines will work fine with 6.5 Grendel.

I like the little CZ carbine, and will convert one one day if I ever get a little extra cash.

Make sure you get a barrel that is chambered to the SAAMI specs as designed by Bill Alexander. Bill is very thorough, and tested every possible chamber dimension before settling on the best. There are a number of companies that are offering "improved" chambers, but they are all dimensions that were investigated and rejected by Bill Alexander, and in each case, he can tell you exactly why.

This is one of the reasons why I recommend that people building 6.5 Grendel ARs get uppers from Alexander Arms - the chamber will be right. The other reason is that AA bolts are better - they are not just 7.62x39 AR bolts.

[7.62 Precision]

I'll have to look up what a 6.5 Grendel is!!!

It is the coolest, handiest little cartridge.

6.5s have a lot of advantages for hunting and long-range shooting. They have good BCs, so they fly nicely. They have good SDs, so they penetrate deeply. They hold their velocity well. Wind deflection on a 6.5 averages half of what it is on a similar velocity .30 caliber. For these reasons, people who hunt with 6.5s will always say they seem to hit and to kill better.

The 6.5 Grendel was designed to make the AR-15 platform as versatile as possible. With the 6.5 Grendel in an AR, you can have long-range performance that beats .308 in many ways. You get great barrier-penetrating performance. You get long-range velocity that will expand bullets at much longer range than any other AR cartridge. You get a the right bullet size, weights, and velocities to hunt anything you want in the US, with the exception of brown bear, though I would shoot a brown bear with a Grendel if the conditions were right. You get low recoil.

For hunting, the 6.5 Grendel will do everything the 5.56 will, with a heavier bullet, better penetration, and increased range. It will do everything that the 6.8 SPC will do, with much better long-range performance. It will kill an animal just as well or better than a .300 BLK or other .30 AR wildcats, and again, has better long-range performance.

If you need to shoot something very big and very dangerous, then you can just jump up to a .50 Beowulf. With an AR chambered in 6.5 Grendel, and an extra upper in .50 Beowulf, I would be confident in being able to do anything I needed to do - I would need no other rifles.

In a mini-Mauser, the Grendel basically gives you a tiny, compact, 6.5x55-type rifle. It makes the handiest little all purpose bolt-action carbine.

[7.62 Precision]

The 6.5 Grendel is also extremely efficient from short barrels (it is a very efficient cartridge, overall). Check out these velocities:

6.5 Grendel 123 gr. Lapua Scenar:
14.5" Barrel
Muzzle velocity: 2405 fps 500 yds: 1700 fps 1,000 yds: 1189 fps
16" Barrel
Muzzle velocity: 2480 fps 500 yds: 1761 fps 1,000 yds: 1226 fps
19.5" Barrel
Muzzle velocity: 2565 fps 500 yds: 1830 fps 1,000 yds: 1270 fps
24" Barrel
Muzzle velocity: 2620 fps 500 yds: 1875 fps 1,000 yds: 1300 fps


The SAAMI chamber is also designed to work with steel case ammo. I am not sure if I am supposed to let out any of the specific details, but the steel case 6.5 Grendel ammo will be available very soon. The last I heard, price will be about the same as steel case .223.

[Mescalero]

Thanks,
thoughtful response, as always.

[Old Ironsights]

Interesting. Could a 6.5 Grendel barrel go on a H&R Handi frame?

[7.62 Precision]

I don't know much about those rifles. They all use the same receiver and the barrel switches for caliber, right? I suppose it would work fine if someone was willing to build a barrel. How does extraction/ejection work? From what I remember the entire rifle is very simple, correct?

[Old Ironsights]

I don't know much about those rifles. They all use the same receiver and the barrel switches for caliber, right? I suppose it would work fine if someone was willing to build a barrel. How does extraction/ejection work? From what I remember the entire rifle is very simple, correct?

Correct on all counts. Very simple. http://www.hr1871.com/firearms/rifles/handirifle.asp

Here's the "stock" selection of accessory barrels for the SB2 frame: http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp

[7.62 Precision]

So unless I am missing something, it should be very simple, with no worries about cartridge head diameter, etc. Just a matter of having someone make a barrel. Are there aftermarket barrel makers?

[BenT]

Yep 6.5 Grendel would be the only other upper I would get for my AR. I like the idea with the mini mauser. I was planning on a mini mauser in 30 Rem AR, but I like the 6.5 Grendel idea better. Is it Inter Arms that imported mini mausers in the 90's and were very affordable.

[7.62 Precision]

Yes, Inter Arms imported them (I think they started under the Parker Hale name, and then Parker Hale dropped them, but they were all imported by InterArms. K-Var is now importing Mini-Mausers, but I don't think I saw a 7.62x39 chambering the last time I checked, Charles Daley imported them, and Remington was supposed to import them when they stole them from Charles Daley, but I don't know if they actually brought many in. CZ imports them, of course, and I like the CZ imported rifle best, though they are a little more expensive that some of the others were.

[BenT]

Yes CZ makes excellent rifles. Years ago I didn't buy an Inter arms in 222 because I had a couple different people tell me that they weren't very accurate. I assumed the barrel quality wasn't good.

At 4d reamer rentals they list a couple 6.5 grendel rifle reamers. AR and bolt action versions. You might have to do some home work.

[7.62 Precision]

At 4d reamer rentals they list a couple 6.5 grendel rifle reamers. AR and bolt action versions. You might have to do some home work.

Check with Alexander Arms, he will tell you what reamer to use. You want a SAAMI-spec chamber as designed by Alexander Arms. You don't want to get into some of the odd chambers.

[Old Ironsights]

So unless I am missing something, it should be very simple, with no worries about cartridge head diameter, etc. Just a matter of having someone make a barrel. Are there aftermarket barrel makers?

Should be. I think the extractor/ejector is part of the barrel though. Since they don't sell Blanks, What would be an appropriate stock barrel (with E/E) to get rebored... or is one of their offered calibers equivelent enough ballistically as to make such a project academic? (it's all academic really. I don't have a handi right now, though my brother is holding one in 30-30 for me.)

[7.62 Precision]

Well, I would guess you could have a .22 Hornet barrel re-bored. I think if you tried to rebore a .223, the existing chamber is likely too long. Just a guess - I have not actually looked at the numbers to be sure. If they offered .260 Rem or 6.5x55, I would say that would be the way to go, but they jump from .243 (which is a pretty versatile cartridge) to 7mm-08 (also a pretty versatile cartridge). So if you want the 6.5mm bore and the lower recoil and short-barrel advantages of the 6.5 Grendel, reboring would likely be an option.

For me, because the rifle is inexpensive, I probably would go a different route for a Grendal conversion (bolt-gun, since it fits my interests) and go with a .243 or 7mm-08 for the Handi-Rifle, just due to cost, unless it was for a kid, or I wanted the less expensive ammo, or just the coolness factor.

[OldWin]

I've been really giving the CZ527 in 7.62x39 a serious look. I've heard they shoot well because they have the correct .311 groove diameter. Seems like a useful and cheap to shoot little rifle.
I love the idea of that rifle in 6.5 Grendel. The only drawback I can see to this cartridge is its lack of universal acceptance and popularity. That cartridge would also make me give the AR another look.

[7.62 Precision]

I love the idea of that rifle in 6.5 Grendel. The only drawback I can see to this cartridge is its lack of universal acceptance and popularity. That cartridge would also make me give the AR another look.

I wouldn't worry about that. Now that it is and official SAAMI cartridge and the trademark has been dropped (the trademark was to protect the integrity of the design until it had SAAMI specs), you will see a number of manufacturers coming on board, including some really big names that have stuff in the works. With the coming steel case ammo, that will be extremely affordable (as cheap as steel case 5.56, and high quality with a very good bullet) it will be the most affordable non-.223/5.56 AR cartridge. I can buy it at the Three Bears grocery store 10 minutes from my house, which is a big deal up here - there are a lot of common cartridges that are always hard to find up here.

[OldWin]

Thanks for the info 7.62. That will certainly bear watching. I've always been a hardcore .30 cal guy but the 6.5's are hard to argue with. I'm building a Swede for my son now.
Also, I am somewhat familiar with the difficulties finding stuff there. My son has been on Kodiak in the Coast Guard for the last several years.

[Old Ironsights]

Well, I would guess you could have a .22 Hornet barrel re-bored. I think if you tried to rebore a .223, the existing chamber is likely too long. Just a guess - I have not actually looked at the numbers to be sure. If they offered .260 Rem or 6.5x55, I would say that would be the way to go, but they jump from .243 (which is a pretty versatile cartridge) to 7mm-08 (also a pretty versatile cartridge). So if you want the 6.5mm bore and the lower recoil and short-barrel advantages of the 6.5 Grendel, reboring would likely be an option.

For me, because the rifle is inexpensive, I probably would go a different route for a Grendal conversion (bolt-gun, since it fits my interests) and go with a .243 or 7mm-08 for the Handi-Rifle, just due to cost, unless it was for a kid, or I wanted the less expensive ammo, or just the coolness factor.

I'm sort of thinking all of the above. A long-rang, low recoil, light weight, short barrel gun could be mighty handy.

I will have to ponder. It will be a good while after I retrieve the gun before I can even add the ML barrel to it...

[hfcable]

Yes, Inter Arms imported them (I think they started under the Parker Hale name, and then Parker Hale dropped them, but they were all imported by InterArms. K-Var is now importing Mini-Mausers, but I don't think I saw a 7.62x39 chambering the last time I checked, Charles Daley imported them, and Remington was supposed to import them when they stole them from Charles Daley, but I don't know if they actually brought many in. CZ imports them, of course, and I like the CZ imported rifle best, though they are a little more expensive that some of the others were.

These guys are importing mini-mausers now, at a good price : http://centerfiresystems.com/search.asp ... ini-mauser


i have ordered one in 7.62x39 with full mannlicher stock, just because, i guess http://centerfiresystems.com/RI1975J-N.aspx ordered in december, not here yet.

i have CZ 527s in 223 and 7.62x39 and they are superb.

[7.62 Precision]

Wow, that's tempting - I have always liked the mannlicher style stocks, for some reason, and that style of rifle just begs for a 6.5mm chambering and a spoon-style bolt handle. It's a good thing I'm broke!

I wonder if Centerfire imports them, or who the importer is?

[hfcable]

Wow, that's tempting - I have always liked the mannlicher style stocks, for some reason, and that style of rifle just begs for a 6.5mm chambering and a spoon-style bolt handle. It's a good thing I'm broke!

I wonder if Centerfire imports them, or who the importer is?

that I don't know, maybe I will know when I get mine. a 7.62 min-mannlicher should be a good little deer gun, survival gun, kids gun, and even a reasonable caribou gun with good loads.

[7.62 Precision]

I'd like to see it when you get it in.

[Mescalero]

That is tempting and I am not broke..........right now

[hfcable]

That is tempting and I am not broke..........right now

yes, that price is not much above where the mini-mausers were 10-15 years ago.

[MrMurphy]

Hadn't really thought about chambering a bolt gun in 6.5 Grendel, but 7.62 is correct, the round is very versatile especially at distance.

Former boss of mine dropped an elk at 400m with one shot from a Grendel.

If I started hunting with a standard-type AR, it'd be a toss-up between the 6.5 and 6.8 for me depending on where I hunted most.

With the S&W M&P10 being reasonably inexpensive in .308 though, I may go that route.

[LeverDud]

I love that round in an AR, but a bolt gun? Why? The Kimber lightweight and some other excellent bolt guns actually weigh LESS than the "mini-Mauser", so unless one is interested in cheap 7.62x39 ammo what's the point?

This rifle in 7mm-08 or .257 Bob interests me more than a Yugo in 6.5 Grendel: http://www.kimberamerica.com/rifles/mod ... lect-grade

Some other featherweight in .260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmore is not hard to envision. That's what I would do, but that's just me.

Now a Mini-14 in 6.5 Grendel I'd be excited about...

[7.62 Precision]

If I started hunting with a standard-type AR, it'd be a toss-up between the 6.5 and 6.8 for me depending on where I hunted most.

With the S&W M&P10 being reasonably inexpensive in .308 though, I may go that route.

Shouldn't be a tossup, because with the same weight bullets, the advantage goes to a 6.5mm bullet - better BC and better SD. The 6.5 Grendel will do everything the 6.8 SPC will do, and a lot more. Before anyone mentions increasing the OAL of the 6.8 SPC, we need to be honest about the fact that both cartridges were designed specifically for the AR platform, so once we do something to the 6.8 cartridge that prevents it from being used in an AR-15 in order to try to make it a 6.5 Grendel, we just lost the purpose for the cartridge.

I would rather hunt most animals with a 6.5 than a .308, and I really don't like the increased weight and poorer balance of the .308-sized ARs.

[7.62 Precision]

I love that round in an AR, but a bolt gun? Why? The Kimber lightweight and some other excellent bolt guns actually weigh LESS than the "mini-Mauser", so unless one is interested in cheap 7.62x39 ammo what's the point?

This rifle in 7mm-08 or .257 Bob interests me more than a Yugo in 6.5 Grendel: http://www.kimberamerica.com/rifles/mod ... lect-grade

Some other featherweight in .260 Rem or 6.5 Creedmore is not hard to envision. That's what I would do, but that's just me.

Now a Mini-14 in 6.5 Grendel I'd be excited about...

Because it is more compact, has a shorter action and shorter barrel, recoils much less, performs well from short barrels, and costs FAR less than that almost $1500 Kimber, plus 6.5 Grendel ammo can be cheaper by a lot.

Because small kids can shoot a CZ carbine in 6.5 Grendel much easier than a super lightweight rifle in the calibers you mention.

Because at 5.87 lbs., the mini-mauser is basically the same weight as the 5.81 lb. Kimber. If you must have it lighter, you are re-barreling anyway, so you can have any barrel profile you want, but .06 lbs is an unnoticeable difference.

Only problem with a Mini-30 in 6.5 Grendel is making it accurate. Marc Krebs did it with an AK though - changed the gas system and shoots 1/4 MOA groups.

[Mescalero]

I did not care for the one with the magazine sticking out the bottom, this one is better ( my opinion ) scout scope it and carrry it by the action.

[7.62 Precision]

The price is nice, too.