Marlin jam only in 1894's or in 336 and 1895 as well?

Bitmap · Post by **Bitmap** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:41 pm

Anyone have it happen in something besides the 1894 models?

If so, is the fix the same?

Thanks

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:52 pm

1894`s that are run hard for the most part but any machine made by man can fail.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:55 pm

They work the same but it only seems to happen to 94's.
I wouldn't sweat it in any event.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:45 pm

I saw a post a few weeks ago where someone carefully fit a hardened steel insert in the carrier, but I wondered if it would simply be possible to temper the carrier to a harder surface...?

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:16 am

AJMD429 wrote:I saw a post a few weeks ago where someone carefully fit a hardened steel insert in the carrier, but I wondered if it would simply be possible to temper the carrier to a harder surface...?

That was me.

I think it would be VERY difficult to harden the carrier without destroying the captured spring... and I couldn't see a way to un-capture it.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:32 am

Old Ironsights -

How well/long do you expect that the JBweld will hold up? Do you think it would be possible to silver-solder the blade to the carrier much like sights are silver-soldered to barrels? I wonder if Brownell's Agraglass would do as well too?

In any even, your fix is well thought out and executed.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:52 am

Dunno how well it will hold up. I would guess pretty well since there is no torque on the adhesive. JB Weld is pretty sturdy stuff.

We'll have to see though. It's not my gun and it doesn't get shot nearly enough.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:08 am

Old Ironsights -

How about sticking the link for the thread where you first told us about your fix in this thread. I'd like to read it again and couldn't find it with a quick look awhile ago.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:14 am

I'll have to find it. I keep the images on Photobucket. Really though, all I did was follow the instructions on the "Marlin Resources" link off of the main Levergunners.com page.

The only difference is that I used a thinner shim (utility blade) rather than a hacksaw blade, so I didn't have to remove any metal from the carrier.

Modoc ED · Post by **Modoc ED** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:30 am

Ok - thanks. I'll check it out.

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:16 pm

The jam seems to be something unique to second generation Marlin 1894's. The eary pre 1936 model 1894/'94 never had an issue with jams.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:38 pm

marlinman93 wrote:The jam seems to be something unique to second generation Marlin 1894's. The eary pre 1936 model 1894/'94 never had an issue with jams.

The old carriers had more meat where the newer ones seem to get worn, the steel itself looks sturdier in the old ones too. But, both mine work well so far.

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:47 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:Dunno how well it will hold up. I would guess pretty well since there is no torque on the adhesive. JB Weld is pretty sturdy stuff.

I dunno, I broke the reel seat stem on a Mitchell 300 spinning reel by slipping and falling on some rocks while fishing. Put it back together with JB Weld. It was either that or throw the reel away. It's still holding together, but it's a little early to tell if it'll hold up for the long haul. Only been about 25 years so far...

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 5:58 am

JB is epoxy, acra glass is epoxy. I think it'll stay put for a long time.

Post by **Hobie** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 6:45 am

We never heard of such until the cowboy games started.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:19 am

As Hobie said. I'd never heard of it till the late '80s. I also think that as cowboy shooters encounter the problem, rather than really fix, they go with the advice of supposed expert shooters; sell their 1894 Marlin and buy a '73 clone... leavin' a broke gun on the used marketplace.

Then again, Marlin may not be using as good of metal for the carrier as in years long past so the wear is induced sooner in the arms life.

Or some combination of the two.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:34 am

Griff wrote:As Hobie said. I'd never heard of it till the late '80s. I also think that as cowboy shooters encounter the problem, rather than really fix, they go with the advice of supposed expert shooters; sell their 1894 Marlin and buy a '73 clone... leavin' a broke gun on the used marketplace.

Then again, Marlin may not be using as good of metal for the carrier as in years long past so the wear is induced sooner in the arms life.

Or some combination of the two.

I think it must be a combination of the two. To my inexperienced eye, the metal of the carrier just LOOKS soft. Investment cast?

IMO it should be forged & hardened... like was probably done back in the day.

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:29 pm

Hobie wrote:We never heard of such until the cowboy games started.

I worked on several new Marlin 1894's that had the jam issue well before CAS was ever even thought of. Several were like new condition, and I saw no signs of wear on the carrier either. Some I never did get to work perfectly, but was able to make them 95-99% reliable.

Saltcreek · Post by **Saltcreek** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:48 am

I have a early 80's pre-safety 44 mag Marlin mod 94 and it happened to me after about 100 rounds of average use, before the days of CASS. It's caused me to doubt it ever since as one of my "bug out" guns without lugging spares. Never had a failure of any kind on the old Winchester 94 so it's sort of the "by the door" rifle.