Bolt Peep on '92?

MtnGun · Post by **MtnGun** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:00 pm

Has anyone ever fitted a bolt peep sight, ala Win. 71, on a 92? That would be a neat setup. I have heard bolt peeps are being manufactured again, but cannot confirm it.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:43 pm

They were on the 65's occasionally ... which is basically a 92 with the NRA stock and a 1/2 mag. I've seen the cuts required on the 71 for the bolt peeps and it doesn't look that simple of an adaptation. I'm not positive, but I think the firing pin on 71's with bolt peeps is somewhat different from earlier guns.

It's unfortunate that more 65's weren't made. I believe there's a 65 up on gunbroker with a bolt peep this week. Yes, here it is ...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... m=94147290

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:20 pm

I think I saw someone had replaced the silly safety on a Puma 92 with a peep sight somewhere, but of course that wouldn't apply to an early Rossi or a Winchester, without the safety (I guess you could drill and tap it somehow but that'd be a real project).

I have also seen ads for ones that straddle the bolt.

I put a peep in the rear open sight notch (this is on a Marlin, but would apply to any make), and it isn't bad, in my opinion. Maybe it would be more popular if they called it a "SCOUT PEEP"

20cows · Post by **20cows** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:57 pm

I'm about to put a barrel mount-type Williams aperture sight on the bolt of a 94. I had to modify the contour of the sight base to fit the radius of the bolt, but all that took was elbow grease, a roundfile and some emory.

I have decided to have the mount holes drilled profressionally , as I would hate to screw it up with my lack of precision.

Bruce Scott · Post by **Bruce Scott** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:29 pm

This XS sight may be an option worth considering.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:33 pm

Bruce Scott wrote:This XS sight may be an option worth considering.

Wow, nicely done. Did you have to grind out the underside of the XS to do that or does it come from XS for that type of fit?

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:45 pm

Ok guys,
I wasn't going to bring this up right now but I'm getting closer to having this one into production. We have toiled with various windage and elevation adjustment options not finding anything that works and is still robust in design and affordable so it looks like it's going to be front sight adjustments only, one load setup.

Here's pic's of the original prototype. (sorry for the poor quality) The plan is to make it as a functional safety but when turned so that you can see through it you are ready to shoot.

Bruce Scott · Post by **Bruce Scott** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:46 pm

I copied the pic some time ago and IIRC it was originally from Nate Kiowa Jones. I believe it will go right on without alteration. XS sell this sight as the Winchester 94 Angle Eject model.

http://www.xssights.com/store/rifle.html

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:46 pm

Rimfire McNutjob wrote:
Bruce Scott wrote:This XS sight may be an option worth considering.
Wow, nicely done. Did you have to grind out the underside of the XS to do that or does it come from XS for that type of fit?

The XS work without grinding but the safety has to be removed and filled.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:50 pm

Bruce Scott wrote:I copied the pic some time ago and IIRC it was originally from Nate Kiowa Jones. I believe it will go right on without alteration. XS sell this sight as the Winchester 94 Angle Eject model.

http://www.xssights.com/store/rifle.html

The XS for the 92 is slightly different than the one for the 94's. The frame rails are thinner.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:09 pm

Kiowa's is the best, no question - but the bolt top can also be D/T'd for a Williams WGRS peep that has a radiused base, like the one that fits the BAR.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:16 pm

Pete44ru wrote:Kiowa's is the best, no question - but the bolt top can also be D/T'd for a Williams WGRS peep that has a radiused base, like the one that fits the BAR.

Probably the best for the pre-safety Rossi.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:16 pm

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:The plan is to make it as a functional safety but when turned so that you can see through it you are ready to shoot.

Now THAT is really cool...at least if you have to have the &^%@#$ safety there, make it do something useful; you'd also never get the 'click' when hunting, because you'd have a perfect visual indicator of status!

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:39 pm

Pete44ru wrote:Kiowa's is the best, no question - but the bolt top can also be D/T'd for a Williams WGRS peep that has a radiused base, like the one that fits the BAR.

I'd love to see a picture of what that looks like if anyone has one. I was going to d&t the receiver side, but maybe the bolt peeper will win out...

Jaguarundi · Post by **Jaguarundi** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:42 pm

Bruce Scott & Nate nice info.Thanks for posting.

Gun Smith · Post by **Gun Smith** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:29 am

The Winchester Bolt Peep, when mounted in the M. 71, required some modifications to the firing pin. The elevation screw retaining nut needed clearance in the firing pin. The machine work on the M. 71 bolt is fairly complicated, and might be expensive to do. M. 65's in 218 Bee could be fitted with bolt peeps at no additional charge, but they are rare. As the bolts are the same for M.92 and 65 in their respective calibers, a bolt peep , if found, could be fitted to a M.92. And, the whole M. 65 bolt could also be swapped into a M. 92 if it was a 25/20 or 32/20. The bolt peep was available on M. 64, 65 and 71, and may be found (rarely) on the M. 92 and 94 from the factory. It was called the 98-A sight. The M.71 bolt peep is being reproduced for Frontier Americana and is about $300.00, as I remember.

blackhawk44 · Post by **blackhawk44** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:10 pm

Bolt peeps specifically for the '92 are supposedly available from an outfit called Frontier Americana. They advertise under metallic sights in each copy of Gun Digest. They offer installation. They are not cheap.

gon2shoot · Post by **gon2shoot** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 6:37 pm

Steve, I'll take two

I tried to make one using a press-in threaded sleeve, but it was too flimsy to be practacile.

Gun Smith · Post by **Gun Smith** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:45 am

After studying the bolt peep, I believe it is the same dimentionally in all models. In other words there is only one size.

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:28 am

Yep. One size factory bolt peep, but since different sized boltsare involved in different models, like M86, M94, & M92 - more/less/different machining steps needed to inlet the sight into the bolt top, depending on model.

That's why it's easier, if not "correct", to add a top-mounted sight to the bolt top, ILO inletting one into it. A higher, "Trapper" height, front sight's gonna be needed with a bolt top sight, though.