any experience with 30-30 Accelerators

JeffG · Post by **JeffG** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:48 pm

I picked up a box of the Remington 30-30 Accelerators. 55 grain .223 bullet with a 30 cal. sabot pushed to 3400 fps muzzle velocity. I haven't tried them yet, but the specs are real flat shooting out to 200yds. could be a real woodchuck threat.

Anybody have any experience with these?

JimT · Post by **JimT** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:53 pm

I took a friend's wife out for Javelina. She used an old Model 94 Winchester 30-30 with a side-mounted scope. She had it loaded with Accelerators.

She whacked a nice boar at a bit over 100 yards. Excellent bullet placement, right through heart and lungs. Bits of rib from the right side were blown through the lungs, shredding them.

The little pig stood up on its hind legs and fell over backwards and kicked.

This is what they will do to a piece of 3/8" steel ..

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:08 pm

That sheds a new light on things, did you know you can buy the sabots in bulk and reload them?

azoil · Post by **azoil** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:15 pm

mescalero1 wrote:That sheds a new light on things, did you know you can buy the sabots in bulk and reload them?

Link?

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:39 pm

see them advertised in shotgun news, I replied but I think it made a new thread out of it

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:43 pm

Any effect on barrel life?

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:11 pm

No real experience here. but I would not think so .
The sabot is plastic

LeverBob · Post by **LeverBob** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:19 pm

Hey Pard,

Here's two links...they both have the tools to load as well:

http://www.reloadammo.com/sabot.htm

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lo ... _sabot.htm

Haven't tried them yet, but have gotten good reports about them both.

Good Luck!

LeverBob

azoil · Post by **azoil** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:20 pm

Thanks LB,

You Da' Man!

LeverBob · Post by **LeverBob** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:27 pm

AZ...had to edit...check out the geocities site...I think you'll like it.

LB

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:31 pm

I've used them in .30-30, amd .30-06, plus relaoded a lot too. The plastic sabot wont ever hurt the bore of a rifle. They perform well, and make the .30 calibers a bit more versatile.

azoil · Post by **azoil** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:32 pm

LB,

I am buying a .225 mould from Sixgun. Wonder how these would work with cast boolits.

awp101 · Post by **awp101** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:36 pm

marlinman93 wrote:The plastic sabot wont ever hurt the bore of a rifle.

True but speed still equals some amount of heat. I can usually tell when a shotgun has had a bunch of rounds through it without the bbl being cleaned due to the plastic wad residue.

I'd even get it in mine when I was shooting a bunch of skeet.

Still, it never hurts to ask and expand the ol' knowledge base.

mescalero1 · Post by **mescalero1** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:39 pm

and the link is: www.jdcomponents.com

cpt Dan Blodgett · Post by **cpt Dan Blodgett** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:53 pm

How well will they group?

will they shoot any where near as tight as a full bore bullet?

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:32 pm

This is interesting; why not use them for CAST bullets, instead of gas checks? Obviously there is a different diameter, and that changes things somewhat, but it sounds like you could totally AVOID the 'leading' issue AND get high velocity from cast bullets.

I've used .50 cal and 12 ga. sabots to shoot .429 and .452 bullets in muzzleloaders, and I know they make ones to shoot .40 bullets in .45 muzzleloaders; I wonder what else is out there...

How about a nice .444 Marlin sabot so you could put a .40 or .375 hard-cast flat point in it and go 2500 fps? Seems easier than using gas checks, but would it be accurate? Any one ever try such a thing?

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:41 am

I was wondering today about using a saboted .25 cal bullet, since they come in a flat or round nose configuration. I figured they'd be safer in a tube magazine. I'm thinking the new Saddle Ring Trapper will be just right for excelerator loads.

2row · Post by **2row** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:01 am

I use them from time to time they cost me 5$ a 100 from a frend I find the to be a lot of fun not as good as a varment rifle .I've not shot them from a bench but minute of armaddilo is good enuff if any one needs loading info send me an E-mail and I'll e-mail it too you

JimT · Post by **JimT** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 12:48 pm

cpt Dan Blodgett wrote:How well will they group?

will they shoot any where near as tight as a full bore bullet?

Groups fired with Factory loads from Model 94 Winchester, using a rolled-up carpet on the hood of my 4WD for a rest, all with open sights. All are 3-shot groups.

50 yards

Remington 55 gr. Accelerator 1"

Federal 125 gr. JHP 11/16"

Federal 170 gr. Nosler Partition 1 7/16"

Winchester 150 gr. JHP 1 1/4"

Winchester 150 gr. Power Point 2"

Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip 5/8"

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110 yards

Remington 55 gr. Accelerator 3 1/8"

Federal 125 gr. JHP 3 3/16"

Federal 170 gr. Nosler Partition 3 3/16"

Speer 150 gr. Nitrex 3 9/16"

Winchester 150 gr. JHP 4 3/8"

Winchester 150 gr. Power Point 3 1/8"

Winchester 170 gr. Silvertip 2 3/4"

Paul105 · Post by **Paul105** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:08 pm

About 10 years ago, I bought a thousand of these from a guy in Utah (I think it's the same link Mescalero1 posted above). The biggest problem I had was getting the bullets seated to the same depth in the sabot (I later learned they made a tool for this). Info I had indicated that consistent bullet seating in the sabot was one of the most important factors in getting good groups. Best I ever got was about 3 1/2" at 100 yds with a Rem 700 Laminated Varmint in .308. You also have to experiment with seating depth (and possible crimping) to keep the fingers from jamming during the cycling process. I got sidetracked and went on to other things. I've still got over 900 sabots left.

The outfit in the link posted by Mescalero1 above offers a sabot setting tool for $10.00 -- I am going to order one and try again.

Paul

Post by **Old Savage** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:38 pm

They can be accurate - shot the same in my 30-06 as regular ammo - about 1" at 100 yds. Others have had less success. My 30-30 didn't do as well. 30-06s chronographed 4200 - 4300 fps.

Paul105 · Post by **Paul105** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:47 pm

OS,

Do you recall POI diff between Accel and hunting loads (and bullet weight of hunting load).

Thanks,

Paul

Rod WMG · Post by **Rod WMG** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:54 pm

It's been over 20 yeqrs since I shot any of theswe, but I remember the difference in the POI in the two types of ammo was several inches.

That's the reason it's been so long since I shot any of them.

Travis Morgan · Post by **Travis Morgan** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:37 pm

Paul105 wrote: I've still got over 900 sabots left.

The outfit in the link posted by Mescalero1 above offers a sabot setting tool for $10.00 -- I am going to order one and try again.

Paul

Wanna sell 'em cheap? I've decided the new trapper will be the boy's gun, and I was thinking I'd start him out with accelerators.

Post by **Old Savage** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:29 am

Paul, the rifle is a 24" Model 70 XTR 30-06 - it put them at the same height but about 1 1/2" - 2" to the right.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:43 am

I just ran across some load data for sabots in the .30-30 on the Accurate Powder site.

shawn_c992001 · Post by **shawn_c992001** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:37 pm

I tried to load some sabots in a 45-70 with about 60 grains of black in an EMF 1874 Sharps. I remember the groups were around 3" at 100 yards. I think I'll try again and see what I can come up with.