Original Winchester '73 at 200 yards (photos)

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Original Winchester '73 at 200 yards (photos)

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Ever since I developed my 'ultimate' 44-40 load, I've been looking forward to trying it out at 200 yards. Although there was a bit of a breeze (20 km/hr or 12 mph), I couldn't stay away from the range any longer, so at lunch hour I slipped off for a quick shoot.

Rifle: An original Winchester Model 1873 chambered in 44 WCF (44-40) and received in the Warehouse August 1, 1889. It is in excellent, original condition, with a shiny, smooth bore with sharp rifling. I took a photo of this vintage '73 after the shoot, posted below ....

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Load: 17.7 grains of 5744 with a pinch of cotton between the powder and the bullet to keep the powder against the primer.

Bullet: Accurate Molds 43-200B ordered to give a sized diameter of .431 ( http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_det ... 200B-D.png ) see photo below ...

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and here's a photo of the bullet, pinch of cotton and case, to give you an idea of the amount of cotton I use. I don't weigh it. I just pinch off enough cotton to fill the space in the cartridge with the cotton lightly compressed between the bullet and the powder. ....

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Shooting Setup: I set my shooting bag on a piece of 2 x 12 to give the right height. I rested my arm on the pillow. Here's a photo of the setup I used today ....

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First Group (peep sticker on glasses):
For this first group, I stuck a small, round sticker about 1/4" in diameter with a 1/16" hole punched in the middle of it onto the front of the right lens of my glasses. This acts as a bit of a peep hole to sharpen up the rear sights for my 57 year-old eyes. This tended to make the front sight a bit more difficult to see. I raised the ramp under my rear sight two notches and fired a 'sighter'. I hit about an inch below the target, so raised the rear sight one more notch. I fired five shots and then headed down to check my target. Although I found the front sight difficult to see because the peep really reduced the contrast of the sight against the target, I got a five-shot group of 5 & 1/8" at 200 yards. I'm sure the rifle is capable of a group half that size, but it was the best I could do this particular day. Here's a photo of the target ....

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Second Group (no peep sticker on glasses):
When I am hunting, I don't have a sticker on the lens of my glasses, so I figured I'd see how I could shoot without one. With no sticker, the front sight was easier to see but the rear sight notch was very, very blurry. I slowly fired off five rounds and went down to check my target. Very interesting! This time I got a five shot group of exactly 6" at 200 yards and the entire group was moved over about 3" to the right and about 4" down. I am sure this was due to a much blurrier rear sight notch, making the top and middle of the sight notch harder to figure out. I did find a consistent area within the blurry notch to put the front sight, since this second group is only 3/4" larger that the sticker-peep group, but obviously the sight picture has been altered due to the much blurrier rear sight notch. Here's a photo of the second no-peep sticker target .....

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Concluding Thoughts: This fall, I'm planning to harvest a White Tail deer with this fine old classic. The load looks good enough out to 200 yards, but I will have to practice shooting without the sticker peep. Where I will be hunting, the shots are most likely to be less than 50 yards and no more than 100 yards. Nevertheless, I look forward to practicing at ranges between 50 and 200 yards this summer and fall. I think that with practice, I should be able to tighten up my 200 yard groups with no peep sticker on my glasses.
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Nice Shooting Kirk, wow! Thanks for the detailed report. Good luck on your hunt.
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Good show Kirk,I hope My old 73 shoots that good. Of course I will have to take it to the range to find out. :oops:
U must be far sighted like Myself. I will be glad when someone comes up with something simple to help Us old Guys.
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As ever excellent Kirk.

Interesting, one in the bull both try's!

Of course if you were serious it would of been a black powder load, none of this cotton wool tomfoolery:wink:

Joking aside I think it is steller performance from you and the ole' rifle.

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She`s a beauty 8)
Dang blurry vision huh, hate it myself but 200 yards with a 44-40 is a stretch any day of the week.
That was good shootin and i bet at 100 or less those groups are real tight.
Very cool and hope ya bag a deer with her. :)
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thats a keeper!.....and nice shooting..
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Lookin' good. I listen close when you speek.

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Wow Kirk! I just can't get over that beautiful '73. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Great report and the usual outstanding pics.

To make you a little green, I have a Colt SAA in a little better condition that was made in 1894 that says Frontier Six Shooter on the barrel. When it cools a little (108 F today) I plan to do a range report on it.
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M. M. Wright wrote:
To make you a little green, I have a Colt SAA in a little better condition that was made in 1894 that says Frontier Six Shooter on the barrel. When it cools a little (108 F today) I plan to do a range report on it.
I'll look forward to that report.
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Great show as always Kirk Thank you

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Nice pics Kirk. The accuracy does not surprise me. Put some 250 grainers in there and it will shoot that good out to 300. In my experience the 200's fall off very quickly in accuracy after 200 meters.----------Sixgun
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That makes sense, Sixgun. These 200 grainers are not very long for their width. The extra 50 grains would give them a bit more ability to punch through the air a bit longer.
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Looks real good Kirk.
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JerryB, I had to sell a couple old Winchesters to get this one, but I am enjoying this one as a blessing from the Lord.
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Kirk, I reckon He just enjoys seeing us with a big grin once in a while.
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Beautiful rifle and excellent shooting! It also takes really good eyesight to make that happen.
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Another excellent range report Kirk. You set the bar high! :D Thanks for sharing!!!
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Great report Kirk :D
I am going to try the cotton as soon as I get time :D
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Kirk,
Excellent report & nice shooting! :mrgreen: A <6" group 200 yards with open sights and older eyes with a vintage Winchester is great!

1875 - Winchester claimed that the 1873 was effective and accurate at all practical ranges up to 500-600 yards.

Late 1800's-early 1900's - "Up to 300 yards it is very accurate and sufficiently powerful to kill bear, deer, antelope, mountain sheep, etc."


Regarding the 1875 claim, several years ago, I tested my 1873 Winchester at 500 meters (547 yards) at the Ridgway, PA high power silhouette range. Ammuntion was the Lyman 427098 bullet (215 grs) over 17 / H4227E. I just barely had enough elevation to get there using the Lyman tang sight at max elevation in combination with the vintage Marbles improved front sight which has a hole underneath the bead. I used the bottom of the hole as the aiming point.

After getting sighted in with the aid of my spotter, from the bench I fired 10 rounds at 10 steel rams (13" high x 32" wide)and managed to connect with 4 of them :D . My spotter indicated that the other rounds impacted very close to the silhouettes.

Winchester was right! I sure wouldn't want anyone shooting at me with a '73 at that distance.

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You'd be amazed what a tang peep will do for ya! :P Fine shootin' regardless! :mrgreen:
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w30wcf: Excellent info. Thanks for sharing that. About a month ago, I was trying a different load and bullet at 200 yards. The load was slightly slower, giving around 1,270 fps. While trying to get the range, I put one bullet through the 2x8 board that holds the backers in place. That slow moving bullet blasted right through that 2x6 at 200 yards. The load gave about 7 & 1/2" groups, so I figured I'd experiment a bit more.

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I definitely want to get an original tang sight for this fine old rifle. I was searching around last night ..... original tang sights are pricey, but at my age it would be a good investment.
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Excellent report and photos as usual...boy am I green with envy.. :mrgreen:
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GREAT report! Fine shooting too!

Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Simply Beautiful... :mrgreen: .
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Excellent results, Kirk! 200 yds is something that I have never tried; heck, the target would be invisible to me. :)
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