5.7x28??

[rjohns94]

Specifically in the fN platforms, ps90 and semi auto pistol. Your thoughts? 50 round mags in the ps90, 20 in the pistol. Low to no recoil. Compact , lightweight, accurate. Right ammo defeats body armor. Ambi controls. Reliable function. Pistol/rifle in same caliber. Fantasy? Fad? Fubar? Let's hear ur thoughts.

[Mescalero]

Expensive, but I like the concept.
The platform does not blow my skirt up.

[MrMurphy]

A SWAT team in Texas, of whom I knew one of the members, shot a bad guy who needed shooting.

Real military-grade 5.7, not the civvy stuff, in real full auto P90's.

After somewhere around 8-12 rounds (2-3 engaged with a burst each COM), reportedly he said stop shooting me, it hurts.

Later expired, but the rounds did not STOP him. The pain did. He died en route to the hospital.

They shot 3-4 people in various circumstances, and transitioned back to M-4 carbines with softpoint ammo, which tended to fix the problem with 1-2 rounds fired.

Several guys I know who have shot people with the 5.7mm or the HK 4.6mm spoonpoint round (both which work similarly) said the major issue is they're intended to fill an M1 carbine type role, and are not terribly lethal. Instead of delivering 1-3 solid rapid hits with a 5.56mm and terminating the threat, the shooter ends up 'sprinkling' the bad guy with 10-20 rounds on semi or auto center mass till they finally go down. I'll stick to 9mm, .45 and 5.56mm.

[1894c]

not impressed...expensive...and not needed... :)

[olyinaz]

Short of plinking I have no use for it and I would not use it for personal defense. I wish Kahr would offer their M1 Carbine in the chambering, it might give me a reason to want something in it.

Oly

[Mescalero]

Oly,
thats an idea.

[Hobie]

There was a .22 on the .30 Carbine case for the M1.

I think the 5.7x28 is a modern military boondogle. The FMJ AP military stuff isn't all that effective but the stuff that's legal for civilian use here in the US expands and was lethal when used by jihadist Hassan at FT Hood. I don't particularly care for the plastic fantastics (see OS's topic on us and the old stuff) and so I don't and won't own one but if it was all I had...

[AJMD429]

I'd rather have a Calico 9mm with 100 round magazine (works in pistol or carbine), or the .22 Mag Kel-Tec 30-round pistol...

[2ndovc]

I ran one through a couple IDPA courses not long ago. Really liked the performance. No recoil and was really quick to put on target.
That 50 round mag just goes forever. I wouldn't trade my AR or M1A for one but I'd still like to have one.

jb

[rjohns94]

kewl input. I was just watching TOPSHOT and they used one of the rifles in a match. I'm not impressed with the down range ballistics or energy. I'm keeping the 5.56/.223 platform, and the .308 one too

[Mescalero]

Hobie,
5.7MM Johnson.
I have one.
Fun gun.

[Old Ironsights]

A SWAT team in Texas, of whom I knew one of the members, shot a bad guy who needed shooting.

Real military-grade 5.7, not the civvy stuff, in real full auto P90's.

After somewhere around 8-12 rounds (2-3 engaged with a burst each COM), reportedly he said stop shooting me, it hurts.

Later expired, but the rounds did not STOP him. The pain did. He died en route to the hospital.

They shot 3-4 people in various circumstances, and transitioned back to M-4 carbines with softpoint ammo, which tended to fix the problem with 1-2 rounds fired.

Several guys I know who have shot people with the 5.7mm or the HK 4.6mm spoonpoint round (both which work similarly) said the major issue is they're intended to fill an M1 carbine type role, and are not terribly lethal. Instead of delivering 1-3 solid rapid hits with a 5.56mm and terminating the threat, the shooter ends up 'sprinkling' the bad guy with 10-20 rounds on semi or auto center mass till they finally go down. I'll stick to 9mm, .45 and 5.56mm.

Sounds like a P30 in .22 Mag is a cheaper, equivalent alternative...

[Old Ironsights]

dupe post

[6pt-sika]

I took one of the FN 5.7x28's in a trade for a Para Ordnance 1911 I had . In all ways it was a good deal for me ! The FN with the 200 rounds of ammo was worth a bit more then I had in the Para and I sold the FN quickly on GB for more then I thought it was worth in about a week !

All in all the little 5.7x28 made me an extra $200 dollars over what I would have taken for the Para 1911 .

I had fired the little FN when the guy I got it from first got it . WHile it is okay I wasn't over joyed with it either .

I've always thought that cartridge would be great in something like a CZ527 bolt action .

[Hobie]

Hobie,
5.7MM Johnson.
I have one.
Fun gun.

Thanks, couldn't remember the name as I was typing.

[Cliff]

How can you say it is not all that effective. Gee Whiz, Hollyweird loves the Long Gun version. Have you never watched Star Gate Command,on TV, they shot up a bunch of bad guys in all sorts of armor and shot down flying saucers to boot. Had to say it just for the heck of it. ATB

[1badf350]

I have a PS-90. It is not for home defense and outside of 100 yards wont kill a squirrel. That said, it is fun as all heck to shoot. No recoil, and report is like a .22mag. Overall its just plain fun!

[tman]

You can take the light and fast concept too far. Perhaps this sums up the 5.7x28.

[MrMurphy]

For the original concept in 1990, which was rear area defense against Spetsnaz teams operating behind the lines to take out headquarters units, etc, while wearing body armor.

For that role, an ambi, flat, 'out of the way' weapon with a large capacity that could penetrate body armor had a role.


People try to put it in a role it's not intended for.

[sore shoulder]

For the original concept in 1990, which was rear area defense against Spetsnaz teams operating behind the lines to take out headquarters units, etc, while wearing body armor.

For that role, an ambi, flat, 'out of the way' weapon with a large capacity that could penetrate body armor had a role.


People try to put it in a role it's not intended for.

NATO was set to adopt the FN 5.7 weapons and cartridge, but the German member(s) of the committee voted it down because they wanted their cartridge adopted, even though they didn't have a serviceable weapon yet.

[Crazy Horse]

I love the five seven FN pistol and want one but It's a $500 pistol that costs $1100 to $1200. That's the price of a nice 1911 ( A real gun) ...

[Ysabel Kid]

kewl input. I was just watching TOPSHOT and they used one of the rifles in a match. I'm not impressed with the down range ballistics or energy. I'm keeping the 5.56/.223 platform, and the .308 one too

They used an FN pistol as well, and this was part of the "call out" challenge (shooting game of horse). I think the P90 looks like a cool concept for a PDW - wish it was in another caliber though.

[DixieBoy]

MrMurphy nailed it. American Rifleman Television did a little something on the guns and rounds for it a few months back. It really seemed that the gun was built specifically around the armor piercing ammo, made solely for defeating bad guys in close quarters who were wearing body armor.

Outside of fulfilling that role, I don't know if I'd buy one, especially since us meager civilians can't buy the ammo the gun was designed for.

Now, I have fired Kel-Tec's pistol (what do they call it again?) set up for 30 round mags of .22 Magnum Rimfire. The one I shot was not a shooter, accuracy wise, but I've heard that some of them can group fairly well. If you bring a pistol like that to shoot with some friends, you better bring at least 250 rounds or you won't last an hour ! Fun though. - DixieBoy

[Mescalero]

Cramming 30 rouns into a magazine would give you a sore thumb.