Ever see a UBERTI SA .44 Mag?

[Griff]

I'd never seen one before tonite. Had a fellar tell me that he heard I liked SAs... and proceeded to show me his pride and joy.

Even let me take some pics, so this thread ain't a total waste!







He sez it's a handful... and I believe him. What would ya'll say it was worth?

[olyinaz]

After looking it up I was reminded of the Cattleman Callahan model, which was made in .44 mag. So yes, I'd heard of it but long since forgot about it as a curiosity. My blue book puts it at about $350 - $450 in value, but you know how that goes - mileage varies.

Is the frame notably larger than a SAA?

Best,
Oly

[Pisgah]

I had one for a while. I happened to be in the pawn shop one day when a fellow came in to sell it. They offerred him $200, he balked, and the shop owner, a friend, said, "This fellow might give you more." I offered $250 and took it home.

It had decent accuracy, and it looked good, wasn't a bad gun at all, a bit rougher than, say, a Ruger, but about the same size. But a couple of months later I was offered $375 for it, and so it was gone.

[J Miller]

Griff,

The only 44 Mag Ubertis I've seen were the one with the adjustable sights. Never seen one like that.

Do you remember what the letters were in the little box on the barrel or frame? I can't read them on my monitor. Just curious as to when it was made.

Joe

[Griff]

Griff,
The only 44 Mag Ubertis I've seen were the one with the adjustable sights. Never seen one like that.
Do you remember what the letters were in the little box on the barrel or frame? I can't read them on my monitor. Just curious as to when it was made.
Joe

BB - 1992. Imported by American Arms in N.K.C, MO. It was dark when I saw it and had some trouble reading everything with the flashlight, but that's what I read. Shoulda taken a shot of the top of tthe barrel.

Blowing up my shot from the photobucket file takes some of the detail out:


But, using my photo editor the details are much crisper.

[J Miller]

Griff,

Thanks for the details.

I find it interesting to note it appears to have both the two position base pin and the hammer block safety. I 'thought' they did away with the hammer block when they introduced the pin safety. Guess I was wrong.

Joe

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Uberti has offered them off and on for some time now. The new ones are all blue but the older ones were brass grip framed and CC'ed.

This one was a 7 1/2". I cut it to 5 1/2" and dovetailed a front sight in so he would have some windage.




I would add, these guns are slightly larger than their SAA's, too.

[Timothy]

I know what your saying J why the heck have both? If its an import thing go with the base pin like cimarron. No one likes the hammer block and if it doesnt have to be there why the hell?

[COSteve]

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[horsesoldier03]

I am just shocked that they offered the .44 mag with a brass frame!

[J Miller]

I am just shocked that they offered the .44 mag with a brass frame!

Why?

Brass isn't week. As an example look at Ruger. They offered brass grip frames for the full sized single actions until 73. Lots of 44 mags are so equipped.

Joe

[gak]

The Uberti Callahan mentioned is an odd (6") length, unfluted and (I think) sports what is basically an 1858 gripframe with "one piece" walnuts. As Nate mentioned, it is all blue. Intriguing gun. Bass Pro is (or at least recently was) selling.

[COSteve]

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[horsesoldier03]

I am just shocked that they offered the .44 mag with a brass frame!

Why?

Brass isn't week. As an example look at Ruger. They offered brass grip frames for the full sized single actions until 73. Lots of 44 mags are so equipped.

Joe

NOPE, but its not steel and definately not as strong as steel.

[Griff]

Don't confuse strength needed in the cylinder and receiver (also often referred to as the "frame" in many firearms) with the relatively low requirement for strength in the backstrap & trigger guard, (also referred to as the "grip frame").

[horsesoldier03]

I am definately no metallurgist. However, I did see an old brass framed 58 that had a bent frame from a guy routinely exceeded the manufactures recommended load. I am sure a backstrap has alot less stress on it, however, most brass gripped SAA that I have seen were always in .45 or other lower preasured chamberings. I guess the only real danger is if you were to get really ticked off and go to pistol whippin the cause of your frustration!

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Don't confuse strength needed in the cylinder and receiver (also often referred to as the "frame" in many firearms) with the relatively low requirement for strength in the backstrap & trigger guard, (also referred to as the "grip frame").

Purzackly,


This is a brass frame.



This is not.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

I am definately no metallurgist. However, I did see an old brass framed 58 that had a bent frame from a guy routinely exceeded the manufactures recommended load. I am sure a backstrap has alot less stress on it, however, most brass gripped SAA that I have seen were always in .45 or other lower preasured chamberings. I guess the only real danger is if you were to get really ticked off and go to pistol whippin the cause of your frustration!

These are 357mags.



BTW, which do you suppose is stronger brass or aluminum? The 44mag Ruger Super Blackhawks have aluminum grip frames.

[horsesoldier03]

Brass/Aluminum I would definately go with BRASS.

[Rube Burrows]

Uberti has offered them off and on for some time now. The new ones are all blue but the older ones were brass grip framed and CC'ed.

This one was a 7 1/2". I cut it to 5 1/2" and dovetailed a front sight in so he would have some windage.




I would add, these guns are slightly larger than their SAA's, too.

Interesting that they offered it with a brass frame (they don't currently; just all blue steel) as I thought that they'd restrict it to a steel frame for higher strength.

That is not a brass frame.....just brass backstrap and trigger guard.

[Rice-n-Beans]

Our Bass pro shops has the 45Lc Uberti's on sale here in South Florida. I was just there today picking up powder and noticed them on the display.

[Bryan Austin]

Uberti 1873 "Buckhorn" had fluted cylinders and small grips. The Callahan has longer grips and no fluted cylinders.

[M. M. Wright]

Years ago Mitchel imported the Uberti in 44 Mag and all had brass grip frames that were the same as the Colt "Army" cap and ball, that is about 3/8" longer then the SAA which is the "Navy" grip. Had a few of them and they were the same size as all Ubertis that is slightly larger than Colt. The Uberti cylinder is .040 larger in diameter. I used to find a Colt SAA with the army grip frame now and then but it seems that they have all been changed back as I haven't seen one in years. Personally, I like the Army grip better.

[Old Savage]

Seemed to me that someone misread grip or grip frame and translated in their mind to frame.

[COSteve]

Sorry for any 'cornfusion' gents. Brass grip frames aren't the same as brass frames.

[Buck Elliott]

I bought a 4 3/4", fixed-sights, .44 Mag "Buckhorn" directly from Uberti USA, back in the early '90s.. It was basically the same gun as their Cattleman, but had a Slightly-longer, STEEL grip-frame, and 1-piece walnut grips. The grip-frame was not as long as the 1860 Army grip-frame, but longer than standard, and was very comfortable and controllable, even with heavy loads. Cylinder diameter was the same size found on all recent Uberti 6-guns, with chamber spacing ("bolt circle") exactly the same as the old Colts and contemporary Ubertis..

In a weak moment, I sold it to a friend, who travelled between Farson and Rock Springs every day, and it rode in a good holster, in the center console of his car....

Never could talk him into selling it back to me..

[Tumbleweeds II]

I used to have one of the Sauer "Western Marshall" .44 mags, and it was about the best-shooting .44 special revolver I ever used - shot right to the point of aim of the fixed sights. I never got around to finding out whether it shot magnum loads or not.

[RustyJr]

What is the strength of these? Obviously a standard 44 Mag isn't an issue. I wouldn't want to try to "hot rod" it but is it closer to a Smith Mdl 29 in strength or a Blackhawk?

RustyJr

[dogngun]

I used to have one of the Sauer "Western Marshall" .44 mags, and it was about the best-shooting .44 special revolver I ever used - shot right to the point of aim of the fixed sights. I never got around to finding out whether it shot magnum loads or not.

I had several of these, and sold the last one years ago, thinking I could always find another...Haven't seen one since. It handles magnums very well-It's a pretty heavy and very well made revolver, but there are almost no parts of any sort left. The "regular" SAA size Sauer can use SAA parts. You know they were made bu the company that became SIG. They are very high quality, and used to be pretty cheap to buy used...


mark

[Bryan Austin]

Here is mine:



Colt U.S. Firearms Old Vaquero New Vaquero Uberti Cattleman Uberti Buckhorn
Cylinder Diameter 1.652 1.674 1.732 1.675 1.671 1.719
Cylinder Length 1.607 1.625 1.703 1.610 1.614 1.698
Frame Window Height 1.672 1.690 1.763 1.700 1.689 1.749
Wall Thickness C/C 0.061 0.066
Wall Thickness O/S 0.071 0.102