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Since the early 1970's, I've tried just about every brand and bullet weight in our 30-30 carbines. Had great luck with performance of Winchester 170 grain Power Point. But never hunted with this unique hollow tip ammo by Remington. Have you ever tried it? Impressions: accuracy, size of wound channel, penetration?
TR
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I think 86er has some field data on that bullet. I used a 170gr power point on a ram, broad side, and it took hours to find it, had to use another round to finish it off. I was not happy at all. I used a 150 gr on a black buck, just hours later and it flattened it out right there. As always, shot placement is EVERYTHING.
Mike Johnson,
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Hobie wrote:It doesn't expand as readily as the Remington SP.
So what is the point/advantage of having a hollowpoint that expands slower or less than a SP ? Or was it made for the elk and moose hunters? Even tho I realize the 30/30 "aint enuf gun for either"
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
Hobie wrote:It doesn't expand as readily as the Remington SP.
So what is the point/advantage of having a hollowpoint that expands slower or less than a SP ? Or was it made for the elk and moose hunters? Even tho I realize the 30/30 "aint enuf gun for either"
I have no idea as to the intent. How one arrives at a particular solution is sometimes unexpected. You do sometimes read of people who seem to have had "alternate" experiences with either much greater penetration or big exit holes. We've discussed this before. What's the difference in actual performance? I doubt there's enough real difference to care about. I KNOW there's no difference in accuracy but of course that depends on the individual firearm. My late friend Mike had some because it was available at the time he needed it. We saw absolutely no difference in wound channel even though it went through bone front and rear quartering. Again, this could be a particular lot but.... It was reported here that this round has been shown in testing to penetrate more. It is counter-intuitive, I know. Lastly, I submit that the .30-30 is enough for either elk or moose but perhaps not the best choice. I am not one who believes that the .30-30 needs a premium bullet.
Sincerely,
Hobie
"We are all travelers in the wilderness of this world, and the best that we find in our travels is an honest friend." Robert Louis Stevenson
Stick with the 150 or 170 Corelokt SP"s
It sounds counter intuitive but that HP is designed for deeper penetration and won't perform like the SP's, why they thought it was a good idea is beyond me, the 170 CL penetrates just fine as it is.
If you want a faster response on deer, try the 150's.
tatersoup wrote:Remington replied to my request for information and told me that the hollow points open up faster than the FP.
This isn't my experience...
358 Win wrote:My old box of 170gr CLHP in .32 Special says on the back of the box: "Designed for controlled expansion and deeper penetration." The .32 Special 170gr HPCL are almost a spitzer shape!
The Remington Corelokt and the Hornady Interlock in either weight is a great whitetail bullet. I prefer the 170s and have never lost a deer with either; actually I have never had to take more than one shot with either.
Hobie, it almost looks like it has a post in it ala Federal Hydra-shok. Just shows, companies are always trying to find the next product that will sell. Just like "short mags" a few years ago, Tho I almost considered buying a BLR in either 325 WSM or 300 WSM, but the $700 could have bought 2 older Marlins in 30/30 and 35 Rem
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
3leggedturtle wrote:Hobie, it almost looks like it has a post in it ala Federal Hydra-shok. Just shows, companies are always trying to find the next product that will sell. Just like "short mags" a few years ago, Tho I almost considered buying a BLR in either 325 WSM or 300 WSM, but the $700 could have bought 2 older Marlins in 30/30 and 35 Rem
This is an OLD product, i.e. it has been around for a long time. John Kort can probably tell us when it first came out but it has been around for a while and popular enough that it is still in production. We have folks come in the shop asking for it. Interestingly, their description of performance is rather wide ranging although all think it very effective.
Sincerely,
Hobie
"We are all travelers in the wilderness of this world, and the best that we find in our travels is an honest friend." Robert Louis Stevenson
That was an interesting read. I had no idea that Remington or anyone else had/does make a 170gr HP. I've never seen it on the shelves in my neck of the woods (PNW).
I don't buy factory ammunition but I'll keep an eye out just to see if it is stocked anywhere around here.
2x22
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Hobie,
It dates back to the 1920's. The first loading was a 165 gr. version loaded by both Remington and Peters.
I think the main reason for the design was to prevent the bullet nose from getting beat up during several trips in and out of the magazine like the standard soft pointed ammunition did.
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It was reported here that this round has been shown in testing to penetrate more. It is counter-intuitive, I know. Lastly, I submit that the .30-30 is enough for either elk or moose but perhaps not the best choice. I am not one who believes that the .30-30 needs a premium bullet.
