Rossi's NEW .410 Leverguns

Ok, re:Circuit Judge Leveraction ... now they're just throwing darts with their eyes closed. I get the Marlin copies. I get the Mare's Leg .410. But the Leverevolver thing is out of control.

Rube Burrows · Post by **Rube Burrows** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:37 pm

That Mare's Laig is about the best Mare's laig I have seen. At least with .410 you woudl be able to hit something.

I also like their full size Lever .410.

I have been wanting to pick up another .410 lever to shoot. That would be nice. I hope they make one with a longer barrel.

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:48 pm

Oh yeah, I can see a lot of fun with the .410 Mares's Leg, even more fun than one in 22LR.

The whole Judge thing never just appealed to me at all, however, the "leverjudge"... Well, I may have to borrow some eye bleach from awp101...

Rube Burrows · Post by **Rube Burrows** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:21 pm

damienph wrote:Oh yeah, I can see a lot of fun with the .410 Mares's Leg, even more fun than one in 22LR.

The whole Judge thing never just appealed to me at all, however, the "leverjudge"... Well, I may have to borrow some eye bleach from awp101...

I have the Judge in 3" mag with the 3" barrel and really like it......for what it is.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:30 pm

Oooh... this may cause me to re-think my previous plan to buy a "Ranch Hand" from Rossi (their "regular" mare's leg)...

Panzercat · Post by **Panzercat** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:37 pm

A 45-70/410, huh? I've all but given up hope in getting my lever .454, so I'm not too optomistic on the availibility of these particular rifles either. Then you have to deal with shot, rifling and donut patterns if you want any sort of shell accuracy... Uhg.

That, and the lever judge just offends my sensibilities.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:40 pm

It looks like the answer to a question nobody ever asked.

SJPrice · Post by **SJPrice** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:54 pm

I do not get the whole Judge thing either, but I see that S&W has now released a .410, 45 Colt, 45 ACP double action revolver based on a stretched N frame. WHY?

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:08 pm

Rube Burrows wrote:
damienph wrote:Oh yeah, I can see a lot of fun with the .410 Mares's Leg, even more fun than one in 22LR.

The whole Judge thing never just appealed to me at all, however, the "leverjudge"... Well, I may have to borrow some eye bleach from awp101...

I have the Judge in 3" mag with the 3" barrel and really like it......for what it is.

My brother in law loves his, I've even shot it a couple of times. I don't have anything against them, it just doesn't do it for me.

PEteacher · Post by **PEteacher** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:21 pm

"OK... the Circuit Judge is simply an abortion, but the others I can grok."

"grok" - Is that Heinlein?

Jeff

Rube Burrows · Post by **Rube Burrows** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:48 pm

Panzercat wrote:A 45-70/410, huh? I've all but given up hope in getting my lever .454, so I'm not too optomistic on the availibility of these particular rifles either. Then you have to deal with shot, rifling and donut patterns if you want any sort of shell accuracy... Uhg.

That, and the lever judge just offends my sensibilities.

I dont think that its one model that shoots 45-70 and .410. I think if you read the print on the side it looks like its either or. You can get either the 45-70 or the .410.

Dont it read that way?

"BOTH NEW MODELS" meaning either the new model that shoots .410 or the new model that shoots 45-70.

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:13 pm

Rube Burrows wrote:
Panzercat wrote:A 45-70/410, huh? I've all but given up hope in getting my lever .454, so I'm not too optomistic on the availibility of these particular rifles either. Then you have to deal with shot, rifling and donut patterns if you want any sort of shell accuracy... Uhg.

That, and the lever judge just offends my sensibilities.

I dont think that its one model that shoots 45-70 and .410. I think if you read the print on the side it looks like its either or. You can get either the 45-70 or the .410.

Dont it read that way?

"BOTH NEW MODELS" meaning either the new model that shoots .410 or the new model that shoots 45-70.

I once tried chambering a .410 in my Buffalo Classic; loose fit plus the extractor slipped over the .410 rim and I had a heck of a time getting it out. I can't see how they could be interchangeable.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:19 pm

Ysabel Kid wrote:Oooh... this may cause me to re-think my previous plan to buy a "Ranch Hand" from Rossi (their "regular" mare's leg)...

Yeah... a .410 mare's leg with 4 00buck loads would be pretty impressive...

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:24 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
Ysabel Kid wrote:Oooh... this may cause me to re-think my previous plan to buy a "Ranch Hand" from Rossi (their "regular" mare's leg)...

Yeah... a .410 mare's leg with 4 00buck loads would be pretty impressive...

And FUN to shoot! With #6 shot it would be a great barn gun when I go feed.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:29 pm

Panzercat wrote:A 45-70/410, huh? I've all but given up hope in getting my lever .454, so I'm not too optomistic on the availibility of these particular rifles either.

I've seen some blued ones in-stock at Gander Mountain in Indianapolis; they'd ship to your local dealer I'm sure.

Rube Burrows wrote:I dont think that its one model that shoots 45-70 and .410. I think if you read the print on the side it looks like its either or. You can get either the 45-70 or the .410.

Yep. Now I do think it could be possible to make a .444 Marlin/.410 combo - or at least I've known folks to shoot .410's in the .444 without problems.

Rusty wrote:It looks like the answer to a question nobody ever asked.

Yep. That's true for pretty much any "new" gun these days; only a very few of them 'stick'.

Still, some of them make fun 'toys' to fiddle with...

Alan Wood · Post by **Alan Wood** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:52 pm

That circuit judge strike me as ugly. The rest eh ok.
Alan Wood

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:06 pm

There are some things that just aren't interesting to me, until you make them in a .22LR/Mag chambering...

Rossi 22 mag revolver carbine 2.jpg

...then all of a sudden they start looking FUN and affordable to dink around with.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:14 am

Nath wrote:So they bought Marlin then?!

Bet we never see one over here!

N.

Remington owns marlin

that is fugly.....

I like the ranchhand mares leg sort of

azzhandler · Post by **azzhandler** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:02 am

these appeal to me, I have been wanting to make up a rifled barrel 410, and reload with brass cases, I live in a shotgun only deer hunting state, and believe with the right gun and right reloads, that I would beable to get a 200 yard deer poker

its about as close to a real rifle as I can get and still be legal in our state

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:06 pm

azzhandler wrote:these appeal to me, I have been wanting to make up a rifled barrel 410, and reload with brass cases, I live in a shotgun only deer hunting state, and believe with the right gun and right reloads, that I would beable to get a 200 yard deer poker its about as close to a real rifle as I can get and still be legal in our state

At one time I bought a ".45 Colt/.410" breakopen for just that purpose. Even thought about sorta accidentally using .45 Colt loads in it, but the year I bought it, they announced the new "pistol-caliber rifle season" here.

The gun of course was horribly inaccurate with .45 Colt loads anyway due to the long jump to the rifling. My plan was to find brass-cased .410 shells and reload them, just as if they were a large but low-pressure rifle cartridge.

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:44 pm

AJMD429 wrote:... My plan was to find brass-cased .410 shells and reload them, just as if they were a large but low-pressure rifle cartridge.

Like these I assume.

Mac in Mo · Post by **Mac in Mo** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:23 am

Those who I know that have bought the .410 revolvers were not handgun shooters prior to their Judge ownership. So now they have a handgun that they think will make up for non-existent skills. Falls in line with the thinking that in using a shotgun for defense you just have to point it in the general direction of your target, pull the trigger and problem solved. It is all marketing and the sales are great for the industry, but I see too many folks that have this false sense of security from these hand-shotguns.

one man's opinion Kevin

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:46 am

azzhandler wrote:these appeal to me, I have been wanting to make up a rifled barrel 410, and reload with brass cases, I live in a shotgun only deer hunting state, and believe with the right gun and right reloads, that I would beable to get a 200 yard deer poker its about as close to a real rifle as I can get and still be legal in our state

Interesting, some very gray area concerning shotgun only laws.
A .410 is a rifle caliber (illegal here in PA. for Deer BTW) being used with
a fully rifled barrel, In my thinking it’s a .41 caliber rifle. I wonder
what a game warden would say if he saw those brass .410’s loaded
with a bullet. Sure would be some very cool looking rounds

azzhandler · Post by **azzhandler** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:14 pm

rifled barrel shotguns are legal in ohio, there are a few different rifle cases that you can use to make 410 loads, but I would be sure to go to the extra expense and buy the 410 marked brass cases, like it was said there is a very fine line , on what would be legal. I have thought about this project for a couple of years, and this might just be the platform gun to take the pressures that I would want,
On the other hand, I have a old H&R sxs shotgun with external hammers that is marked 44cal.
and a lil voice keeps telling me to install a chamber liner in 32 long colt, and have the second barrel set for a 3 inch 410,
should be 1 heck of a squirrel getter, and i doubt anyone else in my squirrel woods would have 1

decisions decisions

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:20 pm

azzhandler wrote:rifled barrel shotguns are legal in ohio, there are a few different rifle cases that you can use to make 410 loads, but I would be sure to go to the extra expense and buy the 410 marked brass cases, like it was said there is a very fine line , on what would be legal. I have thought about this project for a couple of years, and this might just be the platform gun to take the pressures that I would want,
On the other hand, I have a old H&R sxs shotgun with external hammers that is marked 44cal.
and a lil voice keeps telling me to install a chamber liner in 32 long colt, and have the second barrel set for a 3 inch 410,
should be 1 heck of a squirrel getter, and i doubt anyone else in my squirrel woods would have 1 decisions decisions

rodeo kid · Post by **rodeo kid** » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:29 pm

The trail judge is not bad looking, and does make a little sense in .410. That circuit judge is the ugliest thing I have ever seen and why the lever when it was already in revolver form and all you had to do was pull the trigger? I try not to be critical of others choices as some do on this forum but sure do wonder why anyone would spend good money for a circuit judge. God Bless.

Bob Winchester · Post by **Bob Winchester** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:01 am

That trail judge is pretty. But for a regular length rifle I perfer a pump.

cshold · Post by **cshold** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:52 am

If I was to ever to get a .410, hands down it would be one of these

Streetstar · Post by **Streetstar** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 9:23 am

I'll second what everybody else said about the lever action revolver --- it looks like something a 5 year old came up with.

The conventional ones look alright --- not sure the world needs yet another Mares Leg though

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:38 am

I like the mares leg

alnitak · Post by **alnitak** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:15 am

rjohns94 wrote:I like the mares leg

Me too, though the circuit judge is an abomination!

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:49 pm

IMHO, that Circuit Judge levergun looks like someone's been at work with a bent coathanger.

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tman · Post by **tman** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:38 pm

casastahle wrote:
azzhandler wrote:these appeal to me, I have been wanting to make up a rifled barrel 410, and reload with brass cases, I live in a shotgun only deer hunting state, and believe with the right gun and right reloads, that I would beable to get a 200 yard deer poker its about as close to a real rifle as I can get and still be legal in our state
Interesting, some very gray area concerning shotgun only laws.
A .410 is a rifle caliber (illegal here in PA. for Deer BTW) being used with
a fully rifled barrel, In my thinking it’s a .41 caliber rifle. I wonder
what a game warden would say if he saw those brass .410’s loaded
with a bullet. Sure would be some very cool looking rounds

Are you stating that fully rifled shotgun barrels are illegal for deer in pa. , or that only one's in .410 are? I'm missing something here. Thanks, Tman.

tman · Post by **tman** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:40 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:OK... the Circuit Judge is simply an abortion, but the others I can grok.

Nailed it, +1

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 5:02 pm

looks like they are also offering a model 1892 rifle [scaled down?] in 22 lr..... that might be a nice 22 lever gun !?

http://www.rossiusa.com/2011newcatalog/?catalog_page=9

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:32 pm

Streetstar wrote:not sure the world needs yet another Mares Leg though

Needs? I am not convinced the firearm industry is based on needs.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:45 pm

damienph wrote:
Streetstar wrote:not sure the world needs yet another Mares Leg though

Needs? I am not convinced the firearm industry is based on needs.

Bingo! Just like I don't want politicians telling me what I "need", I don't want the firearms industry limiting their output to what they think only fills a "need". I already have all the guns I'd ever "need", but not nearly as many as I "want"!

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:30 am

I look at the .410 Mare's Leg this way...

It's a heck of a lot cooler, and somewhat more practical, than other "backpack" (single shot) .410s like the "Snake Charmer"...