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New Mossberg Leverguns
I Was looking around and Mossberg has the new levers on their website.a 30-30 and a .22. they don't look too bad. should be fun to see the test results when they come out.Jim.
http://www.mossberg.com/images/dcatalog ... rGuide.pdf
http://www.mossberg.com/images/dcatalog ... rGuide.pdf
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i cant get the link to work
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That big .pdf file caused my computer to lock up. I had to reboot.
The rifle is a coarse copy of the Angle Eject Win 94. Right down to the tang safety and hole in the hammer spur. By the angle of the trigger I'd bet it has a rebounding hammer as well.
The top of the receiver at the side appears to be lowered some, but not as much as the AE Wins were.
I'd like to see an exploded drawing to see what the insides look like, but on the outside it's just a modified Winchester 94AE.
Joe
That big .pdf file caused my computer to lock up. I had to reboot.
The rifle is a coarse copy of the Angle Eject Win 94. Right down to the tang safety and hole in the hammer spur. By the angle of the trigger I'd bet it has a rebounding hammer as well.
The top of the receiver at the side appears to be lowered some, but not as much as the AE Wins were.
I'd like to see an exploded drawing to see what the insides look like, but on the outside it's just a modified Winchester 94AE.
Joe
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thanks J Miller. did they say what the price would be?
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I'll take a tang saftey over any button that pops in and out of the receiver. If it has to have a saftey, they did the lesser of two evils IMHO.
I like the looks. To me, most of the "cowboy" guns look alike anyway.
I hope they price them good. Mossberg has pretty good prices on most of there stuff and I am anxious to see what they do with these.
I like the looks. To me, most of the "cowboy" guns look alike anyway.
I hope they price them good. Mossberg has pretty good prices on most of there stuff and I am anxious to see what they do with these.
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I've got my eye on the new Henry .30-30 lever rifles, and I think you can get the blued steel round barrel ones from a gun shop for about $500 out the door once they are available in March or April. The list price is way above what a gun shop would ever charge you.
Anyway, can you guys provide some insights here about putting a scope on an AE lever rifle? I've got some top eject lever rifles, but none that have scopes, and I don't own any AE models. How does one scope these AE models? I want a rifle with a side-loading gate, like the new Mossberg's apparently have, but can I put a scope on it? Or, do the rings have to be really high up off the rifle?? I may just get the new Henry .30-30 which loads from the mag tube itself instead of a side-loading gate, so that I can put a scope on it that is down right on the top of the barrel. Your insights, please??????????
Anyway, can you guys provide some insights here about putting a scope on an AE lever rifle? I've got some top eject lever rifles, but none that have scopes, and I don't own any AE models. How does one scope these AE models? I want a rifle with a side-loading gate, like the new Mossberg's apparently have, but can I put a scope on it? Or, do the rings have to be really high up off the rifle?? I may just get the new Henry .30-30 which loads from the mag tube itself instead of a side-loading gate, so that I can put a scope on it that is down right on the top of the barrel. Your insights, please??????????
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I also like the mag tube load/unload ports, although they make for a very large mag tube diameter on the 4-somethings (larger than the barrel in diameter). I think the main issue would be how low you could go with the scope before ejecting cases hit the scope or mount and caused problems. My .44 Puma has a B-Square 'no-gunsmithing' mount and it seems plenty low enough (you can just see the sights under it so you can use them even with the mount on), and has never jammed, but that may be different with the longer-case rounds like .45-70 or .30-30.ursavus.elemensis wrote:I want a rifle with a side-loading gate, like the new Mossberg's apparently have, but can I put a scope on it? Or, do the rings have to be really high up off the rifle?? I may just get the new Henry .30-30 which loads from the mag tube itself instead of a side-loading gate, so that I can put a scope on it that is down right on the top of the barrel. Your insights, please??????????
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I do not know what your top ? points to, but I am willing to bet that the bottom ? points to a trigger-blocking safety that is tied into that little "tit" dropping out of the bottom of the reciever, just touching the top of the lever on both the .22 & .30-30 rifles.
The .22LR version sure does bear a resemblence to a modern Henry rifle. The centerfire version sure does look like a Winchester 94.
Shawn
I do not know what your top ? points to, but I am willing to bet that the bottom ? points to a trigger-blocking safety that is tied into that little "tit" dropping out of the bottom of the reciever, just touching the top of the lever on both the .22 & .30-30 rifles.
The .22LR version sure does bear a resemblence to a modern Henry rifle. The centerfire version sure does look like a Winchester 94.
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It looks similar but different. I dont know what that thing on top is but it looks like the lower tang has a shoulder like the upper. Probably just different enough they didn't need to pay royalties or whatever.
Still, if its a decent gun & made here I'd buy it over an imported Win copy.
After all, the founder of Mossberg once worked for John Marlin!
Still, if its a decent gun & made here I'd buy it over an imported Win copy.
After all, the founder of Mossberg once worked for John Marlin!
Mossberg 9410?
Is there any chance that Mossberg would make a 9410 Ranger clone? That would be right up their alley, being shotgun gurus...
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That squared off looking thing on the top looks like a bridge over the receiver for a scope mount. It's the same height as the front receiver ring.
The thing behind the trigger has to be a trigger block.
Joe
The thing behind the trigger has to be a trigger block.
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I was coming to the same conclusion about the lump on top but cant figure why then needed to put that thing by the trigger. It might make sense if you were holding it tho.J Miller wrote:That squared off looking thing on the top looks like a bridge over the receiver for a scope mount. It's the same height as the front receiver ring.
The thing behind the trigger has to be a trigger block.
Joe
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While I may not like the exact profile and features they selected for their initial offering, I'm still pleased that they are offering something to fill the void created by Winchester. I do hope they expand on that line and offer rifles vs. all carbines, as that is where my main interest lies.
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There is another thing I'm curious about. If Mosberg did buy Winchesters tooling, and this rifle does look like that could be possible, will any of the parts interchange between the Winchesters and Mosberg versions?
Joe
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Since the Winchester 94 is being rereleased late this year I doubt it's a 94. It's pretty unattractive IMO.
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I took all the pictures I found on the forum, blew them up, lightened them up, enhanced them as much as I can.
This Mossberg is a 94 copy. It might be a loose copy, but the lines are definitely Win 94s.
The lower tang does have some extra metal like the upper tang, and the tang safety is a big honkin affair. Much larger than Winchesters.
The screws and holes on the right side of the receiver are the same as the Win 94.
There appears to be holes on the upper rear of the left side of the receiver, but I couldn't get the picture clear enough to be positive of that.
All I will say from here on out is I wanna see one in person. After that I'll comment more.
Joe
This Mossberg is a 94 copy. It might be a loose copy, but the lines are definitely Win 94s.
The lower tang does have some extra metal like the upper tang, and the tang safety is a big honkin affair. Much larger than Winchesters.
The screws and holes on the right side of the receiver are the same as the Win 94.
There appears to be holes on the upper rear of the left side of the receiver, but I couldn't get the picture clear enough to be positive of that.
All I will say from here on out is I wanna see one in person. After that I'll comment more.
Joe
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Swampman mentioned the RErelease of the 94 this year?
Swampman!
Where did you get this info?
My curiousity is piqued! Is this legitimate info of web-rumblings?
Inquiring minds want to know!
BB
Where did you get this info?
My curiousity is piqued! Is this legitimate info of web-rumblings?
Inquiring minds want to know!
BB
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Anybody hear about pricing on these yet?
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How much?
Anybody know yet?
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How much?
Anybody know yet?
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I heard around $799.00.
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It's wonderful to see new levergun designs hit the market, one each from Mossberg and Henry. The Mossberg may not be quite as pretty as the 94s from a 100 years ago, but at least they are trying. The Henry appears to be made on Hepburn's (Marlin) design, and, well, at least they are trying, too. Kudos to both firms.
I believe the Henry design uses a transfer bar and keeps the halfcock, why can't other companys use a similar less visually obtrusive design like this instead of a tang of cross bolt safety? Could they also design a rebounding hammer that also has a halfcock instead of an ugly button?
I give Mossberg a big round of applause for their effort though.
I give Mossberg a big round of applause for their effort though.
Your right, the Henry Big Boy's have a passive transfer bar.GANJIRO wrote:I believe the Henry design uses a transfer bar and keeps the halfcock, why can't other companys use a similar less visually obtrusive design like this instead of a tang of cross bolt safety? Could they also design a rebounding hammer that also has a halfcock instead of an ugly button?
I give Mossberg a big round of applause for their effort though.
I like the transfer bar idea myself. But its not an obvious enough thing to be PC I think. The idiots that worry over such things wouldn't understand. Rebounding hammers are a kinda auto half cock & IMO negate the need for a button, but again, the idiots that worry about it dont grasp the concept, they NEED to SEE a saftey for it to exist.
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http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... id=4665644
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... id=4665644
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I downloaded the 108pg catalog,it takes awhile but is worth the time.Much better pictures. If Mossberg delivers these rifles looking as good as the one in the article I think they will be a hit. they took some design of the Winchester and looks like they borrowed the round bolt from Marlin. the stock is held on with a thru-bolt from the rear. it will be fun to see how much these sell for. Jim.
http://www.mossberg.com/images/dcatalog ... Annual.pdf
http://www.mossberg.com/images/dcatalog ... Annual.pdf
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I would have thought that higher ups on the inside of the firearms industry would know what is going on at other companies, but maybe not. Apparently, Winchester model 94's are coming back, perhaps hitting the stores next year, but in any event, rumor is that the FNH factory in South Carolina has been making parts for the model 94 for a few years now. So, why did Mossberg decide to bring out a rifle that looks for all the world to be a copy of a Winchester model 94AE? And, why did Henry Repeating Arms Co. decide this year to finally make a .30-30 lever rifle? Although the Henry does not look or function like a model 94, didn't they know that Mossberg was also working on a lever .30-30,. and that it would be coming out this year? You would think they would both have known about the Winchester model 94 coming back, too. Then again, maybe there's some secret to marketing which says that if one guy is making something, you can sell a whole lot of them by coming out with the exact same thing.
Anyway, I don't like the Mossberg's, at least not what I've seen and read. I think I'll get the Henry .30-30 lever rifle, in blued steel with round barrel. Should be able to get one this spring.
Anyway, I don't like the Mossberg's, at least not what I've seen and read. I think I'll get the Henry .30-30 lever rifle, in blued steel with round barrel. Should be able to get one this spring.
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Do any of these companies realize that most folks aren't going to pay pre-64 Winchester Model 94 prices for their so so products?
I passed on a nearly new early 1950s era Model 94 in .32 Special at the last gun show for $600.00. I didn't even try to get him to come down.
Henry makes a nice cheap .22. Why don't they make a nice cheap .30-30?
Marlin is still in business because they know what will sell and how much to ask for it.
The economy ain't boomin' like it was.
I passed on a nearly new early 1950s era Model 94 in .32 Special at the last gun show for $600.00. I didn't even try to get him to come down.
Henry makes a nice cheap .22. Why don't they make a nice cheap .30-30?
Marlin is still in business because they know what will sell and how much to ask for it.
The economy ain't boomin' like it was.
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