NEW/OLD Winchester 1886 Extra Light

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

I just finished another conversion. Before the color-case was done the tang safety got welded up, the rebounding hammer converted to original style ¼ cock, the 5 piece trigger got changed to the original style one piece and the 4 piece firing pin in now one piece full length.
An old style 86 in modern steel.
No more miss-fires!!!

I may have to get one of these for myself.

[Borregos]

That is NICE

[pokey]

wow.

[GoatGuy]

Bless me, that '86 shines! Fine work, and obviously not redone in just a few days. Very fine craftsmanship.

[KirkD]

Superb!! I especially like the job of color case hardening. It seems more authentic looking than Turnbull's color case hardening. Who did the CC'ing?

[C. Cash]

Beautimous!

[.45colt]

WHY NATE YOU DEVIL I HAD NO IDEA YOU WERE DOING THIS CONVERSION
P.M. SENT

[Mike D.]

Nate, how do you install a one piece firing pin in the Miroku bolt? I NEED to do that to one of my ELs. I have been searching for a late 1886 original bolt but haven't had much luck, so far.

[foxtrapper]

Holy smoke just what I need. What is the charge for the weld up and loss of the rebounding hammer. Nice work Nate!!!!

[RKrodle]

WOW that is really nice Steve. Beautiful work.

[kimwcook]

Beautiful!

[DPris]

Wish you'd done this before I sold mine last year....
Denis

[buckeyeshooter]

great looking work!

[Griff]

Gorgeous!!!!

[Ysabel Kid]

You forgot to post the "drool rag warning"! Now how am I going to clean up all of this slobber???

[Ben_Rumson]

WOW

[CEMENTHEAD]

I'm not a 1886 kinda guy.......however, that is WONDERFUL to say the least.

What does that beauty weigh if might ask?

Thanks, Tom

[CowboyTutt]

Steve, that is a masterpiece! Nice work!!! -Tutt

[spaceman spiff]

Sir, Rembrandt has nothing on you........


spaceman

[winchester1886]

Beautiful work Nate, looks like you are going to be busy, they will be turning up at your place by the semi trailer load if all the guys on here get their way.

[Sixgun]

Not only does it look good, it works good! The mechanical changes really gives it the "thumbs up". Nice professional job.---------Sixgun

[HEAD0001]

Only thing that rifle needs is the wood from my high Grade. Tom.

[hfcable]

Wish you'd done this before I sold mine last year....
Denis

me too!!
fabulous work
i have a 1980s browning 1886 custom, but would have had you redo the extra light winchester if i had known this and kept it too.

[olyinaz]

Wow that's a great looking rifle Steve. VERY nice indeed. I too am curious about who did the color case hardening and also the work list and costs associated if you would be so kind.

Thanks for posting!

Oly

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Wow that's a great looking rifle Steve. VERY nice indeed. I too am curious about who did the color case hardening and also the work list and costs associated if you would be so kind.

Thanks for posting!

Oly

Thanks guys. Makes me want one too. I forgot to mention in the text but besides the other work this gun got my action work too. The welded tang and re-lettering, the rebound-less hammer, the 5 piece firing pin converted to one piece, the 4 piece trigger converted to one, the color case and my action work altogether with the S&H the owner has a little over $1100 in it.

As for the color-case, I usually use Mike Hunter but Mike had some medical things going on with his leg and was kinda grounded when I needed this done so I used Turnbull. But, they used a more satin clear coat. For those that don't know, color-case straight from the tank is a flat finish and not very durable. So, to give it a nicer shine it is coated. In the past they used wax, some used lacquers who knows what all was used. Nowdays most use an acrylic lacquer. That's what's on this one.

Nate, how do you install a one piece firing pin in the Miroku bolt? I NEED to do that to one of my ELs. I have been searching for a late 1886 original bolt but haven't had much luck, so far.

Mike, you really don't want to change the bolt. That can lead to headspace problems. The better option is to either modify your bolt to fit an old style pin or modify the pin to work in your modern bolt. That's how i did this one.

[Lastmohecken]

Wow! Now thats a nice gun, and the work is very resonable, makes me wish I had kept EL and sent it out for a simular fix. But since I now own a Browning 86 carbine, I guess I will make do with it.

I do like the EL configuration a lot, and that should be a sweet hunting rifle now that the bugs are gone.

[1886]

The 86 just stirs a fellers soul. Beautiful! 1886.

[.45colt]

Mike Wrote:Thanks guys. Makes me want one too. I forgot to mention in the text but besides the other work this gun got my action work too. The welded tang and re-lettering, the rebound-less hammer, the 5 piece firing pin converted to one piece, the 4 piece trigger converted to one, the color case and my action work altogether with the S&H the owner has a little over $1100 in it.
Mike,is it possible to remove any markings on the barrel that have to do with being "made in Japan"? Thank You................. The EL has pulled Me in two for many years, I could never afford and original and wont have a rebounder.

[Arminius]

AWESOME!!

I want one!

BTW I have a Browning 1886 Carbine, .45-70, of course.

It has no rebound hammer, only the classic notch, and no safety of any kind, but is also of modern steel, with exceptional fitting!

Would that have the original FP and trigger?

Keep up the good work, Hermann

[Mike D.]

Mike,is it possible to remove any markings on the barrel that have to do with being "made in Japan"? Thank You................. The EL has pulled Me in two for many years, I could never afford and original and wont have a rebounder.
Yes, it certainly is. The parts to remove the rebounder cost about $120 bucks and take less than an hour to replace. There are a couple of gunsmiths that do the remarking. Here's how one of mine turned out. When CDNN had these available a few years back for $599 I jumped on it.

[.45colt]

Thanks Mike .question was ment for Nate. I guess my age is showing. who welded the tang? thats a nice lookin rifle,the way I would want it.

[Mike D.]

Mike Hunter did the work for me a few years back. I don't believe that he is currently welding the tang, but hope that he responds to this thread. This gun also has a full length magazine.

[Mike Hunter]

Afternoon all, sorry it’s taken me so long to get back…. Had some minor leg surgery…then once I was back up…had to get a few guns knocked out for the Tulsa show.

Short answer on the Browning 86s is that I will no longer weld up the tang safeties …too much liability in my mind. But I can still roll mark the tang markings, as well as roll mark the barrel and Color Case Harden the frame.

Steve Young and I talked, think he’s going to start these conversions, and possibly let me do the tang /barrel markings then CCH them (if I’m lucky).

V/R

Mike

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Afternoon all, sorry it’s taken me so long to get back…. Had some minor leg surgery…then once I was back up…had to get a few guns knocked out for the Tulsa show.

Short answer on the Browning 86s is that I will no longer weld up the tang safeties …too much liability in my mind. But I can still roll mark the tang markings, as well as roll mark the barrel and Color Case Harden the frame.

Steve Young and I talked, think he’s going to start these conversions, and possibly let me do the tang /barrel markings then CCH them (if I’m lucky).

V/R

Mike

It aint because you're lucky, Mike. It's because you are good.

[Arminius]

Oh, I forgot - mine is the version without any safety, just the half cock notch -------------->

and my question is, if there´s a one piece or more piece FP in it, and if it needs any reliabilty package, or just let it "as is"?

THX, Hermann

[Canuck Bob]

Wow, you are a geneartion too old for craftsmanship like that. Kinda wish we didn't have that invisible fence between us. My little 92 would really shine after a treatment like that!! I don't really notice the difference until one sees it the way it should be done.

[muskeg13]

Mike: Go to the Numrich Gunparts website (http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Pro ... catid=7723) and order the bolt and firing pin parts you need for a M71. With careful fitting, they will work in your M1886. I did it on my new model ELW M1886 when I converted it to .348 Win. The ELW is esentially the same rifle as the M71, but with perpendicular bolts, as opposed to the slightly slanted M71 bolts. Luckily, the new model M1886 L and r Bolts are wider than the old M71 was slanted, so you can grind and stone the M71 bolt recesses to take the new M1886 bolts. It requires some work, but if you want the old firing pin it can be done.

[Mike D.]

Nuskeg, I have an original 71 bolt with 98A sight, but it wont fit the Miruku 1886. Steve is gonna work over my rifle when he gets the time.

[kaschi]

Couple of question for you Mike D. First the info: I was thinking about converting my 86 EL to 45-90, having the tang safety removed, replacing the rebounding hammer and putting a full length mag tube installed. Now the ?'s: Could you possibly post a picture of your rifle? I'm curious to see how it looks. Also, where do you get the parts to do the hammer change over, etc? You mentioned they cost about $120. How many parts are needed total? THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!

[Mike D.]

I just snapped this not too clear photo, but you will get the idea, Kaschi. The parts you will need to change the hammer and trigger are a Browning 1886 hammer and one piece trigger/sear. That way you lose the multi part-trigger and sear and will have a true half cock notch. I got the parts from Midwest Gun Works. Mike Hunter did the marking and FM.

1886 hammer- part # P070150
1886 trigger- part# P070290

[kaschi]

Thanks a lot Mike. Your EL is very nice and looks well-balanced with the 22" barrel/extended mag tube.
I always have a hankering for unique looking 86's, 92's and 94's. Now, realizing all these ideas is the biggest challange!

[woods-walker]

Very nice indeed! Hoping to hear more details...