Hello, everyone. I just joined the forum and can see a lot of good things on here. I have some old levers and some new ones; yes, they are my favorite type of rifle.
I do have a question about the mounting and setup of a Lyman 21 sight. I have a Winchester model 95 with one on it. The first issue is that there is some trouble getting the lever on the sight to lock the sight in position. I can see a collar of some type, a couple of setscrews o the side of the sight lever, and a mounting screw. Does someone have a set of instructions for mounting the sight? I asked Lyman and got basically reprint of a brochure on it. Or, just some advice on how to do it. ALso need to buy a screw for the forward part of the mount to the receiver - the previous owner scarred the screw up.
Alternatively, might it be a better idea to mount a Williams FP71 on the receiver? They are current and less bulky. Ideally, they don't require tapping an additional hole but use an existing one. Is this the case?
Thanks, and apologies for the questions on my first post. Since this rifle was made in 1924, I see no reason not to be able to shoot standard/military 30-06 in it and have some fun.
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Yes, I am a pirate,
200 years too late;
the cannons don't thunder,
there's nothing to plunder
for an over 40 victim of fate.
200 years too late;
the cannons don't thunder,
there's nothing to plunder
for an over 40 victim of fate.
Re: New to forum. Question on Lyman 21
Glad to hear it.rjroberts wrote:Hello, everyone. I just joined the forum and can see a lot of good things on here. I have some old levers and some new ones; yes, they are my favorite type of rifle.
When properly mounted, one loosens the lever to release pressure on the elevation slide, moves the elevation slide as desired and then tightens with the little lever. Can't get it tight enough, get or make a slightly thicker "collar"/washer.I do have a question about the mounting and setup of a Lyman 21 sight. I have a Winchester model 95 with one on it. The first issue is that there is some trouble getting the lever on the sight to lock the sight in position. I can see a collar of some type, a couple of setscrews o the side of the sight lever, and a mounting screw. Does someone have a set of instructions for mounting the sight? I asked Lyman and got basically reprint of a brochure on it. Or, just some advice on how to do it. ALso need to buy a screw for the forward part of the mount to the receiver - the previous owner scarred the screw up.
You'll have to drill TWO new holes for the 6-48 mounting screws.Alternatively, might it be a better idea to mount a Williams FP71 on the receiver? They are current and less bulky. Ideally, they don't require tapping an additional hole but use an existing one. Is this the case?
I'd watch the ammo in the original .30-06s and use that which produces original .30-06 velocities and attendant lower pressures. No such problems noted with the Brownin or or post-Browning Winchester production. Check that headspace.Thanks, and apologies for the questions on my first post. Since this rifle was made in 1924, I see no reason not to be able to shoot standard/military 30-06 in it and have some fun.
Sincerely,
Hobie
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Watch the price on some of those 21's and you may learn to love it! The originals bring a lot of money at auction. Check out this gentleman for parts for your sight:
http://winchesterbob.com/lyman.htm
I have ordered parts for my Lyman 21 from him and I was very satisfied. My front screw was buggered also, and I ordered one from Bob to replace it.
http://winchesterbob.com/lyman.htm
I have ordered parts for my Lyman 21 from him and I was very satisfied. My front screw was buggered also, and I ordered one from Bob to replace it.
Derek aka "shootnfan"
Middle Tennessee
24 hours in a day.....24 beers in a case. Coincidense? I think not.
Middle Tennessee
24 hours in a day.....24 beers in a case. Coincidense? I think not.
My .30 Gov't '06 model '95 SRC is also a 1924 product and I have fired quite a bit of standard and mil-surp ammo through it over the years. I no longer make a practice of that; preferring instead to load my own ammo to keep the pressures below 47,000 PSI. 
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage morale, and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested, exiled or hanged"....President Abraham Lincoln
We've been playing quite a bit with a couple of Lyman 21's the last couple of years. They don't call 'em Climbin' Lymans for nothing!! We haven't had much luck with getting them to print very good groups so far. Not sure if we are having rifle or sight issues as of yet, but are suspecting the sights on both rifles. When we get back out for the next couple of sessions we will be able to tell more.
As a fanatic of '95 Winchesters I am going to ask for a favor...Please don't Drill and Tap your rifle. If you don't like the 21, oil it, wrap it in a plastic baggie, and mount a nice buckhorn sight on it. You can always trade it back on later.
Ed
As a fanatic of '95 Winchesters I am going to ask for a favor...Please don't Drill and Tap your rifle. If you don't like the 21, oil it, wrap it in a plastic baggie, and mount a nice buckhorn sight on it. You can always trade it back on later.
Ed
Yep Mike, I'm sure it makes for a better system overall, but with original configuration '95s drying up, it plain hurts to hear of anyone doing a mod on them now a day's. My original TD 405 was drilled and Tapped for a reciever sight many years before I found it. I use a buckhorn instead.Mike D. wrote:Ed, mine came D&T for a Lyman 56 and I love it. Maybe that is why it only cost me $600.
Ed
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Sure seems to be a lot of interest in the old Lymans. I can remember when guys were cussing them and tossing them in a box after trying to get their guns to shoot consistently with them! Many folks bemoaning the fact that a nice old gun had been ruined by D&T for a Lyman.
Times sure have changed!
Times sure have changed!
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Thank you everyone for all your help. Sorry there's been a delay in getting back on to reply - somewhat of a family emergency.
I agree I would not want to drill and tap any further. I had been under the impression that the Williams sight would fit to existing holes, but I guess not. So, that has saved me some back and forth and possible bad ordering.
Then, I guess I'll have to just rehab, though only slightly the 21. It's really in decent shape but I'm having a couple of problems. These are no doubt trivial as I don't have mounting or setup instructions. For example, I can't get the mount lever (all "levers" refer to the one on the sight) to lock reliably. There seems to be a split collar on the lever axle, with a screw in the center. When I actuate the lever the inner screw moves and it won't tighten the mount. If I screw the inner screw all the way in or all the way out I can get it to lock, but then unlocking is unreliable and eventually loosens because the screw turns. SInce there are also two lockscrews which bear on the collar, I'm sure there is some initial point to which I have to tighten the inner screw then set the outer and the lever. Obviously, I need instructions. ALso, how does one remove the mount if one wants to? I can't get that center screw I mentioned above out of the lever ring or out of the rifle. The front, pivot screw comes out just fine. ALong those lines, I need a new one as a prior owner mangled it. Winchester bob doesn't have one.
Any info on installation and setup would be appreciated.
ALong the lines of newer sights on a lever rifle I had an idea which would take more machinist skill than I have, or equipment. Suppose one had a length of Picatinny rail, the kind they sell either with all the holes as a "universal" or one without holes. Line up a hole with the front screw on, say a 95 with a Lyman installed but removed, then line up with an existing hole to the rear of the receiver but keeping the rail parallel to the bore axis. Drill a hole as necessary into the rail. Mount. Now one can mount a scope or a red-dot.
I agree I would not want to drill and tap any further. I had been under the impression that the Williams sight would fit to existing holes, but I guess not. So, that has saved me some back and forth and possible bad ordering.
Then, I guess I'll have to just rehab, though only slightly the 21. It's really in decent shape but I'm having a couple of problems. These are no doubt trivial as I don't have mounting or setup instructions. For example, I can't get the mount lever (all "levers" refer to the one on the sight) to lock reliably. There seems to be a split collar on the lever axle, with a screw in the center. When I actuate the lever the inner screw moves and it won't tighten the mount. If I screw the inner screw all the way in or all the way out I can get it to lock, but then unlocking is unreliable and eventually loosens because the screw turns. SInce there are also two lockscrews which bear on the collar, I'm sure there is some initial point to which I have to tighten the inner screw then set the outer and the lever. Obviously, I need instructions. ALso, how does one remove the mount if one wants to? I can't get that center screw I mentioned above out of the lever ring or out of the rifle. The front, pivot screw comes out just fine. ALong those lines, I need a new one as a prior owner mangled it. Winchester bob doesn't have one.
Any info on installation and setup would be appreciated.
ALong the lines of newer sights on a lever rifle I had an idea which would take more machinist skill than I have, or equipment. Suppose one had a length of Picatinny rail, the kind they sell either with all the holes as a "universal" or one without holes. Line up a hole with the front screw on, say a 95 with a Lyman installed but removed, then line up with an existing hole to the rear of the receiver but keeping the rail parallel to the bore axis. Drill a hole as necessary into the rail. Mount. Now one can mount a scope or a red-dot.
Yes, I am a pirate,
200 years too late;
the cannons don't thunder,
there's nothing to plunder
for an over 40 victim of fate.
200 years too late;
the cannons don't thunder,
there's nothing to plunder
for an over 40 victim of fate.
