Falling blocks
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Falling blocks
Why do some people consider falling block actions, or in the case of the Peabody or Martini, tilting blocks, lever actions? In my mind, even though they use a short lever to lower the block, they are not really lever actions in the sense of a Winchester 92, a BLR, or a Marlin 336. Falling/tilting blocks are really their own class of action, aren't they?
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YES THEY ARE IN A PLACE ALL BY THEMSELVES. WE HAVE HAD SOME BIG SQUABBLES HERE ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER HERE IN THE FUTURE !!! OKAY, LET'S START ONE NOW.....
IT AIN'T A LEVERGUN IF OPERATING THE LEVER DOES NOT EXTRACT AND EJECT THE EMPTY WHEN THE LEVER GOES DOWN AND LOAD A FRESH CARTRIDGE IN THE CHAMBER WHEN THE LEVER IS BROUGHT BACK UP.
OKAY OKAY....SO THAT MEANS ALL OF YOU GUYS WITH YORE SHARPS, STEVENS 44 AND FAVORITES ETC ETC ETC GOTTA GO AWAY AND START YOUR OWN WEBSITE. GO ON...SKEDADDLE.....WELL UNLESS YOU WANT TO BUY US ALL A COLD ONE AND ADMIT YOU HANG AROUND HERE TO BE WITH REAL MEN WITH REAL GUNS !!!
SEE, IT IS NOT ALL THAT DIFFICULT TO P O A BUNCH OF FOLKS; WHAT FUN !!!!
IT AIN'T A LEVERGUN IF OPERATING THE LEVER DOES NOT EXTRACT AND EJECT THE EMPTY WHEN THE LEVER GOES DOWN AND LOAD A FRESH CARTRIDGE IN THE CHAMBER WHEN THE LEVER IS BROUGHT BACK UP.
OKAY OKAY....SO THAT MEANS ALL OF YOU GUYS WITH YORE SHARPS, STEVENS 44 AND FAVORITES ETC ETC ETC GOTTA GO AWAY AND START YOUR OWN WEBSITE. GO ON...SKEDADDLE.....WELL UNLESS YOU WANT TO BUY US ALL A COLD ONE AND ADMIT YOU HANG AROUND HERE TO BE WITH REAL MEN WITH REAL GUNS !!!
SEE, IT IS NOT ALL THAT DIFFICULT TO P O A BUNCH OF FOLKS; WHAT FUN !!!!
RIDE, SHOOT STRAIGHT, AND SPEAK THE TRUTH
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Re: Falling blocks
Because i gives us an excuse to talk about them here.FALPhil wrote:Why do some people consider falling block actions, or in the case of the Peabody or Martini, tilting blocks, lever actions?

I think Terry's description is of a Lever action repeater.
I generally don't consider them lever actions, but I don't see why they aren't I guess. Single shot bolt actions are still "bolt action rifles."
Hmmm.... The term "magazine rifle" has fallen out of favor. Tis a shame.
Slow is just slow.
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Yikes.. My Red Ryder Repeating Carbine.. Hamerless Design, Has a Lever...Feeds a round from the tubular under barrel magazine.. . But doesn't extract... So, it is disqualified..NOT a true LeverGun... It comes sooo close too!! ...So then, Sharps, Ballards & all the rest are less than my Red Ryder and are disqualified too!!
Sooo, my box lock SxS shotgun is a lever action because it is operated with a lever, even though it is not technically a repeater? BTW, the lever operates from side to side, not up and down...Cast Bullet Hunter wrote:Maybe because they are operated with a lever????????????????????
Might not be a lever action repeater, but argueing they are not a lever action is, at best, sophomoric.

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Fuel for this fire:
Pro:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever-action
Con:
http://www.midwayusa.com/guntecdictiona ... h=1.139352


Pro:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever-action
Con:
http://www.midwayusa.com/guntecdictiona ... h=1.139352
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OK, all of you'se guys who want to sign up for the Terry Murbach School of Lever Gunology please move to the right side of the room.Terry Murbach wrote:YES THEY ARE IN A PLACE ALL BY THEMSELVES. WE HAVE HAD SOME BIG SQUABBLES HERE ABOUT THIS IN THE PAST. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER HERE IN THE FUTURE !!! OKAY, LET'S START ONE NOW.....
IT AIN'T A LEVERGUN IF OPERATING THE LEVER DOES NOT EXTRACT AND EJECT THE EMPTY WHEN THE LEVER GOES DOWN AND LOAD A FRESH CARTRIDGE IN THE CHAMBER WHEN THE LEVER IS BROUGHT BACK UP.
OKAY OKAY....SO THAT MEANS ALL OF YOU GUYS WITH YORE SHARPS, STEVENS 44 AND FAVORITES ETC ETC ETC GOTTA GO AWAY AND START YOUR OWN WEBSITE. GO ON...SKEDADDLE.....WELL UNLESS YOU WANT TO BUY US ALL A COLD ONE AND ADMIT YOU HANG AROUND HERE TO BE WITH REAL MEN WITH REAL GUNS !!!
SEE, IT IS NOT ALL THAT DIFFICULT TO P O A BUNCH OF FOLKS; WHAT FUN !!!!
Also you'll need to wipe the Hoppes, Borebutter, Eds Red, or whatever off your fingers so you don't smudge up the application form.
Every body else move to the left side of the room. Hobie will hand you a stick so you can beat the dead horse some more.




Terry, you're right this is fun

J

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THANK YOU, JOE, FOR PUTTING THEM ON THE RIGHT--CORRECT--SIDE OF THE ROOM.
I THINK YOU MAY HAVE TO READ THE FORM TO THEM THOUGH...you know why too....IF THEY CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LEVERGUN AND A LEFER ACTUATED FALLING BLOCK MOST ARE PROBABBLY ILLITERATE...maybe even illegal alliens...TELL 'EM IT IS A STATE DISABILITY PAYMENTS FORM AND THEY'LL SIGN THE SHIQ OUTTA IT LIKE RIGHT NOW !!!
I THINK YOU MAY HAVE TO READ THE FORM TO THEM THOUGH...you know why too....IF THEY CANNOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LEVERGUN AND A LEFER ACTUATED FALLING BLOCK MOST ARE PROBABBLY ILLITERATE...maybe even illegal alliens...TELL 'EM IT IS A STATE DISABILITY PAYMENTS FORM AND THEY'LL SIGN THE SHIQ OUTTA IT LIKE RIGHT NOW !!!
RIDE, SHOOT STRAIGHT, AND SPEAK THE TRUTH
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How about this Terry, we give an entrance exam.
The prospective member comes up states their full name EG; Bubba Levercranker. Then we show them pictures of some rifles. If they can ID them on the first try all they have to do to enroll is put their right thumb print on the signature line and they are in.
How about that?
Joe
The prospective member comes up states their full name EG; Bubba Levercranker. Then we show them pictures of some rifles. If they can ID them on the first try all they have to do to enroll is put their right thumb print on the signature line and they are in.
How about that?
Joe
***Be sneaky, get closer, bust the cap on him when you can put the ball where it counts
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SO I GET THIS EMULE FROM SOME YAHOO WHO TELLS ME MY LOVER OVER ON LEVERGUNS SAYS HE MISSES ME !!!!!! L OL !!!
IT TOOK ME FOR FOREVER TO FIND YOUR POST, SCOTT !!!! THEN I SET HERE AND LAUGHED LIKE A DAGGONE NINNIE OVER IT. L O L!!!
WE ARE DOING FINE UP HERE. I HAVE BEEN BATCHING IT FOR 3 WEEKS WHILE JUDY WAS IN EUROPE. SHE'LL BE BACK SATURDAY NIGHT.
I AM FEELING WELL AND HAVE RECOVERED FROM MY OPERATION LAST APRIL.
WINTER IS STILL UP HERE IN THE BLACK HILLS AS WE SPEAK BUT SO FAR IT HAS BEEN A FAIRLY MILD WINTER.
SANTA BROUGHT ME A NEW ' 73 SPORTING RIFLE FOR CHRISTMAS. HE BROUGHT JUDY NEW SNOW TIRES FOR HER CAR. HEY, IT IS WHAT SHE ASKED FOR. BY THE WAY HER CAR IS A VW JETTA WITH A RACING DIESEL SET UP FOR THE AUTOBAHN AND IT'LL CRUISE 140 AND HIT 160MPH SLICK AS YOU PLEASE. IT'LL HIT 100 IN THIRD GEAR AND YOU HAVE TWO MORE GEARS TO GO WOOOOOEEEEEEE....WHAT FUN !!!
I HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU THIS NEW YEAR. I DID SEE SOMEWHERE THAT SOME BIGTIME CLIENT OF YOURS STUCK YOU FOR HIS FEES. I HOPE YOU NAILED THE SONOFABITCHE'S HIDE TO THE BARN DOOR AND BEAT IT BLACK.
HEY, I SENT YOU A CHRISTMAS CARD IN DECEMBER AND IT WAS RETURNED FOR THE WRONG ADDRESS.
KEEP IN TOUCH.
TM
IT TOOK ME FOR FOREVER TO FIND YOUR POST, SCOTT !!!! THEN I SET HERE AND LAUGHED LIKE A DAGGONE NINNIE OVER IT. L O L!!!
WE ARE DOING FINE UP HERE. I HAVE BEEN BATCHING IT FOR 3 WEEKS WHILE JUDY WAS IN EUROPE. SHE'LL BE BACK SATURDAY NIGHT.
I AM FEELING WELL AND HAVE RECOVERED FROM MY OPERATION LAST APRIL.
WINTER IS STILL UP HERE IN THE BLACK HILLS AS WE SPEAK BUT SO FAR IT HAS BEEN A FAIRLY MILD WINTER.
SANTA BROUGHT ME A NEW ' 73 SPORTING RIFLE FOR CHRISTMAS. HE BROUGHT JUDY NEW SNOW TIRES FOR HER CAR. HEY, IT IS WHAT SHE ASKED FOR. BY THE WAY HER CAR IS A VW JETTA WITH A RACING DIESEL SET UP FOR THE AUTOBAHN AND IT'LL CRUISE 140 AND HIT 160MPH SLICK AS YOU PLEASE. IT'LL HIT 100 IN THIRD GEAR AND YOU HAVE TWO MORE GEARS TO GO WOOOOOEEEEEEE....WHAT FUN !!!
I HOPE ALL IS WELL WITH YOU THIS NEW YEAR. I DID SEE SOMEWHERE THAT SOME BIGTIME CLIENT OF YOURS STUCK YOU FOR HIS FEES. I HOPE YOU NAILED THE SONOFABITCHE'S HIDE TO THE BARN DOOR AND BEAT IT BLACK.
HEY, I SENT YOU A CHRISTMAS CARD IN DECEMBER AND IT WAS RETURNED FOR THE WRONG ADDRESS.
KEEP IN TOUCH.
TM
RIDE, SHOOT STRAIGHT, AND SPEAK THE TRUTH
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Terry,
I'm up for supplying the beer. And while I love my Sharps, it falls in second place to my Win94s. Or, maybe that's 3rd... I have a fondness for my '73 Sportin' Rifle (copy).
Although... that post did have a certain... nah, what I hear of Terry, jealousy wouldn't be a motive....
'Sides, Scott likes 'im, and anyone who invites me huntin' couldn't have bad taste! 
I'm up for supplying the beer. And while I love my Sharps, it falls in second place to my Win94s. Or, maybe that's 3rd... I have a fondness for my '73 Sportin' Rifle (copy).
Although... that post did have a certain... nah, what I hear of Terry, jealousy wouldn't be a motive....


Griff,
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There is a fine line between hobby & obsession!
AND... I'm over it!!
No I ain't ready, but let's do it anyway!
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Depends on the definition. The "classic" or "traditional" lever-action it is not. This is what comes to mind - i.e. - the "western" version of this action where a throw of the lever ejects the brass on the previous cartridge, loads the next cartridge, and cocks the hammer - when most people say "lever-action". However, it is a lever action weapon - as is a Sharps, Spencer, etc.
I remember posting this question a couple years ago when I first joined. It started a fun debate, which is half of why we are here! We all have to remember the site is popular and we get newbies all the time - including those new to shooting and lever-actions themselves. Having this rehashed once every year isn't a bad thing - lots of folks learn from it.
But the bottom line, as mentioned before, is we like ALL guns, and enjoys pictures of pretty much anything!!!
I remember posting this question a couple years ago when I first joined. It started a fun debate, which is half of why we are here! We all have to remember the site is popular and we get newbies all the time - including those new to shooting and lever-actions themselves. Having this rehashed once every year isn't a bad thing - lots of folks learn from it.
But the bottom line, as mentioned before, is we like ALL guns, and enjoys pictures of pretty much anything!!!

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There is a difference between a lever action singleshot rifle, and a lever action repeater, but it isn't the lever!
Pre WWI Marlins and Singleshot rifles!
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