Win 1892 Against My Marlin 1894

[Seagoing]

I have a Marlin 1894 in .44 cal.
Just love it.

Has anyone tried the new (?) 1892 on Winchester's website ?
Gorgeous rifle, but how are the new 1892s since Winchester came back ?


Thanks,
Seagoing

[adirondakjack]

expensive?

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

I have a Marlin 1894 in .44 cal.
Just love it.

Has anyone tried the new (?) 1892 on Winchester's website ?
Gorgeous rifle, but how are the new 1892s since Winchester came back ?


Thanks,
Seagoing

expensive?

And with all kinds of lawyer junk in them.

[Ysabel Kid]

And with all kinds of lawyer junk in them.

That's a shame. Expensive is bad enough, but then to go and ruin a perfectly good firearm design by lawyering it up? That's unforgiveable!

[J Miller]

Those advertised on the "Winchester" site are not Winchesters. Winchester no long exists other than as a licensed name.
They are Japanese made by Miroku for Browning. Browning has license to use the name Winchester and so produces rifles designed by John M. Browning.
Which is all fine and dandy except for the stinking rebounding hammers and tang safeties that J.M. Browning DID NOT design. These design changes were brought about by lawyers. Sue everybody for your own stupidity type lawyers, cover your behind lawyers, and politician type lawyers.

Your Marlin is American made, has fewer lawyer parts and in my opinion is a better rifle.

JMNSHO

Joe

[Malamute]

I tend to prefer the Winchester action, tho I don't like the "improvements" made to the later Winchesters. I do feel that Miroku makes outstanding quality guns, and if you're willing to do a little cleaning up on them, are great guns. I have a later 92 and have put Browning 92 hammer and trigger parts in it. It will either get a gold or silver piece inlaid in the tang safty hole, or a tang sight to cover it.

I paid about what folks are paying for new Rossi's for my 92. It was used, but hard to tell.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

I tend to prefer the Winchester action, tho I don't like the "improvements" made to the later Winchesters. I do feel that Miroku makes outstanding quality guns, and if you're willing to do a little cleaning up on them, are great guns. I have a later 92 and have put Browning 92 hammer and trigger parts in it. It will either get a gold or silver piece inlaid in the tang safty hole, or a tang sight to cover it.

I paid about what folks are paying for new Rossi's for my 92. It was used, but hard to tell.

I agree,
For fit and finish they are the best, but I have folks call me all the time about reworking their Miroku/Win's and I have to tell them, unless the fire control parts are changed back to traditional style parts the gun will never be as smooth as the original. That more than doubles the price of the work.
My favorite analogy is like buying a late model car to make a racer out of it. The first thing ya gotta do before you can even start is throw out all the EPA garbage.

[Malamute]

So, assuming that one has the parts in hand, and can properly install them, then there's hope?

I have a pencilled in appt with the 'smith to do the final bit of work on installing the mainspring seat and trigger spring install. I have the rest of the Browning 92 parts in (hammer, trigger, etc). I'm looking forward to getting it done.

I was surprised at the small parts that Win came up with to replace the simple parts in the originals, and the Browning/Mirokus. I think you end up replacing perhaps 6 or 8 small parts with 2 traditional ones, then the mainspring and trigger spring. I looked at how some late 92's were altered to remove the rebound, but figured just replacing the parts with Browning parts was simpler.

[Mike D.]

The 1886 and 1892 Winchester rifles are easily disassembled and reassembled. All parts can be replaced at home in a short while and with minimal tools required. Anyone with any kind of mechanical aptitude can do the workt themselves. Why bother with the expense of a gunsmith to get this done?

[Cimarron Red]

As Mike D says, the Miroku Winchesters can be easily de-lawyered by most owners without gunsmith help. If they want to go further, then replacing the existing hammer and trigger with Browning/Miroku parts is also easily done. I own several of these guns, and I really like them. Are they expensive? Sure, compared to the Rossi or Marlin. Compared to originals, they're bargains. American Winchester leverguns are no more. But then they haven't been the same since 1964 anyway.

I wish the Miroku guns were priced better, and I wish they were more widely available than in the small numbers that Davidson's trickles out. But they are fine rifles, and I can live with their safety features -- or modify them.

[Malamute]

".....Anyone with any kind of mechanical aptitude can do the workt themselves. Why bother with the expense of a gunsmith to get this done?..."


This is true, especially as far as simply replacing parts goes, but using the Browning hammer and trigger requires a different mainspring setup, drilling and setting the pin for the mainspring seat in the correct location, and drilling and tapping a hole for the trigger spring. Not rocket science, but all I have is a hand held drill and a stump of firewood on the porch for a work station at this time. I'd do it if I had to, but I don't have to. I want it to be just right. He will possibly just let me use his tools, or charge me a very nominal amount.

If I had a drill press it would be a piece of cake.