Savage pump 30/30 mod 170 deal

[preventec47]

I was pretty excited to find one of these in a local gun shop that I think is missing the gun stock screw as the stock was loose and wobbley. It was being sold for $199 (asking) and realistic $175 I think.

It was attractive and felt real good. I never really heard of a 30/30 pump action but all the research I did found many who said it was just a major screwup for Savage and they never
worked right.

I believe it was a 35 or 40 year old gun

If the price were $100 I think I might take my chances and try to work with it a bit.

[BenT]

Neighbor kid shoots deer with his every year. In fact I just put one back together last night for a person who took it apart to clean and couldn't get it back together. They seem like a well made gun to me . They are not as smooth as the Remingtons. They usually sell for around $250 in good shape with minor wear.

[O.S.O.K.]

Looks kinda like a Remington pump right? I would think it should be a good shooter and I bet you could find the stock screw easily - or it just may be loose. Take a closer look and offer $150 if the bore is in good shape and it functions correctly...

[preventec47]

BenT
[quote="BenT"] I just put one back together last night [/quote]

BenT-
Can you tell me how the stock is connected
to the receiver ? Is there a long bolt or deep
hole that a socket is inserted to tighten a bolt
or nut ? I dont think they would let me remove
the glued on recoil pad from the end of the
stock for inspection. As I said the stock is
very wobbley and needs to be tightened.
Also, it would not cycle without holding
down the release button. The salesman said
it was not supposed to cycle without ammo
in it. That is to let the shooter know he is empty

The bore looked good and the wood and metal
as well but obviously worn and aged.

As I said, $175 for me I think is too much to
take a chance but if anyone wants it
let me know. I am in NorthWest Atlanta, GA

[Hobie]

IIRC it is a slotted head through bolt stock-to-receiver. Probably just loose. My farmer friend uses one for everything, groundhogs, stray dogs/coyotes, deer, since 1980 or so.

[O.S.O.K.]

Just fyi, if the action is similar to the Remingtons, it won't cycle without pulling the trigger or the release button first. Obviously, the release button is to allow unloading of the rifle or to open the action for cleaning...

[preventec47]

[quote="Hobie"]IIRC it is a slotted head through bolt stock-to-receiver. Probably just loose. My farmer friend uses one for everything, groundhogs, stray dogs/coyotes, deer, since 1980 or so.[/quote]
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No I actually think the stock to receiver bolt is missing
as I can see clear daylight in the gap between the stock
and receiver. There is a small pin running side to side
that is the only thing holding the stock to the receiver
currently.

If the bolt were not loose in the stock then another
would have to be procured after it was determined
what shape, length and thread size etc.

It really had me drooling though as I have never owned
any kind of repeating rifle. All I have are bolt actions.

[airedaleman]

IIRC it is a slotted head through bolt stock-to-receiver. Probably just loose. My farmer friend uses one for everything, groundhogs, stray dogs/coyotes, deer, since 1980 or so.

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No I actually think the stock to receiver bolt is missing
as I can see clear daylight in the gap between the stock
and receiver. There is a small pin running side to side
that is the only thing holding the stock to the receiver
currently.

If the bolt were not loose in the stock then another
would have to be procured after it was determined
what shape, length and thread size etc.

It really had me drooling though as I have never owned
any kind of repeating rifle. All I have are bolt actions.

I had one in .35 Remington. It was very accurate, and a pleasant rifle to shoot. Now, I have no idea as what the side-to-side pin you refer to is. The only thing securing he the stock to the receiver is the through bolt Hobie mentioned. Parts for the Model 170 are available from Numrich. An exploded view is available on their website. It is actually based on the Savage/Stevens .410 pump gun. Hope this helps.

(Edit) Wobble the stock, shake your head, and see if you can get it for a buck and a quarter...

[Hobie]

I don't know what would be holding the stock on BUT the throughbolt. #73.

[preventec47]

Wow that is a great schematic.

Look at part number 17 and then look for a small
pin hole in the lower left corner of the receiver.
off to the left and bottom of the letter G

I am 99 percent sure that is where part 17 is inserted
and believe it or not that is the only thing holding
the stock on. Weird I know.

It has on the sale tag "as is" so I dont know
if they would allow me to rip the glued on
recoil pad off in the store to check to
see about the stock thru bolt.
I tried to shake it around and I
dont hear any loose bolt rattleing around
in the stock.

I am kind of thinking at this point that even
if the pump action doesnt work it could
always be no worse than a single shot
if you had to put one bullet in at a time.
You at least get to shoot pointy bullets
that way.

I may have to go back by the store
and take photos and haggle a bit.

[BenT]

#17 is a bolt and #33 is a pin . When these are removed the whole trigger assembly with stock attached come out of the action. So if one of those is bad the stock wil wobble. You can tell if the saftey is not flush up against the receiver. If that isn't aligned right the action will not work correctly since your trigger group assembly is not engaging the bolt assembly correctly. That is where you problem lies. Not the stock.

[Pete44ru]

They're pretty decent hunters - me shooting pard sold the pristine .30-30 I posted in our classifieds last Spring for $175 with F/O sights.

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[edsguns]

I recently saw one online, listed by a dealer that had been re-bored/chambered to .375 Win. I was kinda leary about the pressure tho. What thinks you?

[preventec47]

For the referenced mod 170 that I have seen,
the stock wobbles around an axis location roughly
where the #17 bolt is line up with.

The top of the stock wobbles opens about a quarter inch
and I can see daylight down behind the receiver
so I dont think pin 33 is missing and neither is
what ever is in the hole that 17 looks to line up with
in the lower corner of the receiver.

That pin hole in the lower corner appears to be
the pivot point if that makes sense.

[Hobie]

For the referenced mod 170 that I have seen,
the stock wobbles around an axis location roughly
where the #17 bolt is line up with.

The top of the stock wobbles opens about a quarter inch
and I can see daylight down behind the receiver
so I dont think pin 33 is missing and certainly not
what ever is in the hole that 17 looks to line up with
in the lower corner of the receiver. That pin hole
appears to be the pivot point if that makes sense.

I think that the stud that the bolt screws into probably disguises the bolt to you and it is in there just not tightened down. There might be a reason for that. I could tell in less than a couple of minutes if I had the gun..

[BenT]

Last night when I put the trigger assembly in the 170 . It fit snug. It was hard to get both pin and screw in. I first tried by putting the screw in and aligning the pin hole . What you discribe is what I got. The stock would pivot away from the receiver about a 1/4 inch. So I got it together by putting the pin in first and that gave me leverage to get the screw started. So I think your pin is sheared off or not there. It is about 1/8 in diameter.

So the stock is bolted to the trigger assembly which is held to the receiver by 1 pin and 1 screw. Taking that screw out would answer alot. If the receiver comes out , the pin isn't doing it's job. I didn't take this gun apart , but I put it back together . It appears the pin is made of soft metal since it seems to be mushroomed from somebody hitting it. So it definatly could shear off or become bent.

[airedaleman]

Last night when I put the trigger assembly in the 170 . It fit snug. It was hard to get both pin and screw in. I first tried by putting the screw in and aligning the pin hole . What you discribe is what I got. The stock would pivot away from the receiver about a 1/4 inch. So I got it together by putting the pin in first and that gave me leverage to get the screw started. So I think your pin is sheared off or not there. It is about 1/8 in diameter.

So the stock is bolted to the trigger assembly which is held to the receiver by 1 pin and 1 screw. Taking that screw out would answer alot. If the receiver comes out , the pin isn't doing it's job. I didn't take this gun apart , but I put it back together . It appears the pin is made of soft metal since it seems to be mushroomed from somebody hitting it. So it definatly could shear off or become bent.

I see it now, with Ben's explanation and the exploded view. As I said, wobble the stock, shake your head AND cluck your tongue! If you can get it cheap, it will be well worth while. They're nice little rifles. I don't why I sold the .35 Remington I had. Probably wanted something else.

[Ranch Dog]

I recently saw one online, listed by a dealer that had been re-bored/chambered to .375 Win. I was kinda leary about the pressure tho. What thinks you?

I would be extremely leery of the 170 rechambered to 375 Win. The assumption is that the original rifle was the 30-30 Win with a Pmax of 42.0K PSI vs. the 375 Win with a Pmax of 63.8K PSI (Piezo SAAMI). The cartridge it should have been rechambered to is the 38-55 Win with a 38.4K PSI (Piezo SAAMI) Pmax. I would not use the 38-55 Win at the 30-30's 42.0K PSI as the barrel would have lost quite a bit of thickness in the rebore from chamber to muzzle going from .308" to .375" through .377".

I have a beautiful NIB 170B, it has never been shot, chambered in 35 Remington. Barrel taper is significant and there is not much metal at the muzzle of it's 22" barrel.

[brno602]

My brother had a Savage 170 he traded it strait across for a Marlin 45/70 a good deal?
The 170 is a well built gun I like them more than the Rem pumps I remember the ad they used saying the reciever was machined from a solid block of steel.His was really a CIL rebadged Savage, If you could rebarrel one, ya they are thin I think it would handle a .375 win? To me older Savage Rifles always used a nice thin barrel I like that on a hunting rifle. Now if they would bring back the 99.