Gimee Gimee upgrades... Rossi M92 gets some

[O.S.O.K.]

My packet from Steve's Gunz arrived while I was out of town and I decided to make the install of the two items in the packet the first order of business this morning

Safety banishment device:



Mag tube cap replacement (stainless steel):



These changes took all of 15 minutes to accomplish

The safety replacement is a snap - just open the action, drift out the cross-pin (left to right) that holds the safety in place, pull the safety out, watch the detant ball go flying into the netherlands, place the new button into the hole with the pin notch forward and then carefully drift the pin back through - viola' you done. The mag tube cap is cake - one screw releases the guts.

I actually found the tiny detant ball. This is because I really didn't need it. If I had, I never would have located it.

Thank you Steve!

Only problem is I should've ordered the video too... the action is OK but could use some slicking.

[COSteve]

I've used his DVD on both my Rossis and the before and after is astounding. Steve's tuneup is absolutely great. Lest I forget, when you order the DVD also order his ejector spring. It's the only one he doesn't show you how to mod and his lighter one makes a huge difference in cycling (which he explains).

[O.S.O.K.]

Wow - I am amazed at the rapidity of your arrival on this thread

You of course are the primary reason that I ordered these goodies And its just funny that within minutes of me posting this you put the reply up.

Thank you too for keeping us posted on this.

[J Miller]

One of the things I intend to buy is Steves 92 DVD. I don't own one right now, but of course that's subject to change without notice.

Safety banishment device: I love that

Oh, when I got my Marlin 1894 Cowboy, I did essentially the same thing you did. Got rid of the safety, use the Clyde Ludwig kit and replaced the cheep junky plastic follower with a stainless one from Brownell's.
Great minds think alike.


Joe

[COSteve]

Wow - I am amazed at the rapidity of your arrival on this thread

You of course are the primary reason that I ordered these goodies And its just funny that within minutes of me posting this you put the reply up.

Thank you too for keeping us posted on this.

I just happened to be looking at Leverguns so it's nothing more than good timing.

BTW, even though we share the same first name, I don't have any affiliation with Steve or Steve's Gunz. I just like to spread the news when I find a product or service that is above the rest.

[O.S.O.K.]

Wow - I am amazed at the rapidity of your arrival on this thread

You of course are the primary reason that I ordered these goodies And its just funny that within minutes of me posting this you put the reply up.

Thank you too for keeping us posted on this.

I just happened to be looking at Leverguns so it's nothing more than good timing.

BTW, even though we share the same first name, I don't have any affiliation with Steve or Steve's Gunz. I just like to spread the news when I find a product or service that is above the rest.

Sure, you're really Nate KJ in disguise.... we know

Hey, its OK to be a fan of great and unique stuff - and that's what he offers.

[NonPCnraRN]

The good and bad of the Marlin safety is that it allows you to cycle the action to unload the gun while on safe, but it also allows the hammer to fall from full cock and go click instead of bang if you are shooting at game and the safety is on. If the safety locked the hammer so it wouldn't fall when you pulled the trigger you could quickly take the gun off safe and then fire the gun. As it is now, the hammer falls, the prey is alerted to your presence and off it goes while you are trying to determine if you left the safety on or if it is a hangfire. I have heard of hunters who levered a new round into the action thinking the first round was a dud and the hammer would fall again with a click instead of a bang.

With Steve's safety replacement plug you still have the green F and red S to contend with. I have heard of some using a dental pick to remove the paint and touching it up with cold blue. Has anyone just covered it up with a couple of coats of black paint? Has anyone tried filling in the F & S with JB weld (black) and just wiped the excess off so it is level with rest of the bolt? I'm going to have Steve install a XS receiver sight which should cover the letters until the action is opened. I would just like to know what the preferred way of removing the red and green letters is so it is less noticable when the action is open. Picking the paint out sounds labor intensive and the JB weld could get messy. I think a coat or two of black paint should cover the red and green and with enough coats fill in the indentations.

[Ysabel Kid]

I actually found the tiny detant ball. This is because I really didn't need it. If I had, I never would have located it.

Ah yes, we share the same luck!

Only problem is I should've ordered the video too... the action is OK but could use some slicking.

My '92 has Steve's slick-job on the action, and it is as smooth as warm butter!!!

[pokey]

Wow - I am amazed at the rapidity of your arrival on this thread

You of course are the primary reason that I ordered these goodies And its just funny that within minutes of me posting this you put the reply up.

Thank you too for keeping us posted on this.

I just happened to be looking at Leverguns so it's nothing more than good timing.

BTW, even though we share the same first name, I don't have any affiliation with Steve or Steve's Gunz. I just like to spread the news when I find a product or service that is above the rest.

Sure, you're really Nate KJ in disguise.... we know

never seen them together in the same room have you?

[JerryB]

I think that my favorite bestest thing in my order from the real Steve was the ejector spring, the video and all the action work I did can't compare to the thrill of being able to find my ejected brass. The factory spring would launch them into orbit never to be seen again. Thank you NKJ.

[O.S.O.K.]

The good and bad of the Marlin safety is that it allows you to cycle the action to unload the gun while on safe, but it also allows the hammer to fall from full cock and go click instead of bang if you are shooting at game and the safety is on. If the safety locked the hammer so it wouldn't fall when you pulled the trigger you could quickly take the gun off safe and then fire the gun. As it is now, the hammer falls, the prey is alerted to your presence and off it goes while you are trying to determine if you left the safety on or if it is a hangfire. I have heard of hunters who levered a new round into the action thinking the first round was a dud and the hammer would fall again with a click instead of a bang.

With Steve's safety replacement plug you still have the green F and red S to contend with. I have heard of some using a dental pick to remove the paint and touching it up with cold blue. Has anyone just covered it up with a couple of coats of black paint? Has anyone tried filling in the F & S with JB weld (black) and just wiped the excess off so it is level with rest of the bolt? I'm going to have Steve install a XS receiver sight which should cover the letters until the action is opened. I would just like to know what the preferred way of removing the red and green letters is so it is less noticable when the action is open. Picking the paint out sounds labor intensive and the JB weld could get messy. I think a coat or two of black paint should cover the red and green and with enough coats fill in the indentations.

I just used a stainless steel wire brush and gave the area a little scrub and the paint came right out no problem and its all blued so no need to fill with anything. Look at the pics above.

[O.S.O.K.]

Wow - I am amazed at the rapidity of your arrival on this thread

You of course are the primary reason that I ordered these goodies And its just funny that within minutes of me posting this you put the reply up.

Thank you too for keeping us posted on this.

I just happened to be looking at Leverguns so it's nothing more than good timing.

BTW, even though we share the same first name, I don't have any affiliation with Steve or Steve's Gunz. I just like to spread the news when I find a product or service that is above the rest.

Sure, you're really Nate KJ in disguise.... we know

never seen them together in the same room have you?

Hmmm, no now that you mention it

[220swift]

Here's another tip for the Rossi's. Replace the mainspring with a Wolff spring. I'm pretty sure that the right one is a 19 pound Ruger Blackhawk mainspring, but I'll have to check..

Dan

[O.S.O.K.]

The only thing that really could use fixing on mine is the ejector - it is rather robust and could use a little lightening up. Not that a good trigger and action job wouldn't improve it, but its fine for hunting and plinking as-is.

Now if I were going to use this for CAS, I'd immediately get the whole works done by Steve.

[Griff]

Being kind to myself, I don't have Nate's wealth of experience working on Rossi mdl 92s. I did my 1st one back in '87 for my wife following the less than stellar advice of other cowboy shooters that had slicked up their Rossi's, (more on that later). I then did my son's 1st Rossi in '89. I then got him (& me) an EMF Rossi in .45Colt and slicked it up in 2005. I then posted a review of that rifle on the CASCity forum. Where I got asked via a PM what were my steps in slicking up the rifle.

I wrote up my steps from memory and replied. Whereupon I was directed to Marauder's Rifle Tuning site. Boy, did I feel sandbagged! Now, my writeup of my method wasn't identical to Marauder's... but close enough that I saw immediately that I wouldn't ever try to describe to anyone how to slick up their Rossi again. Now I ain't seen Nate's video, but we've sat and discussed methodologies; others have described his video well enough that I'll state, "if between Marauder's Tips & Nate's video you don't think that you can do the work... I'd have to advise ya not to tackle anything more complicated than changing lightbulbs!

Now, putting in lighter springs WILL help improve the action... but, if you really wanna see a night/day change in a Rossi, do the full monte! Now I left a 'lil "heft" to the actions on my son's Rossi's, but my wife's... It's action is butter smooth. Literally, the lever feels as though it's a hot knife slicing thru butter as you push it forward, you can feel the cartridge jump from the mag to the carrier and as you pull it back you feel each of its jostlings as it passes thru the guides into the chamber! The lever itself feels as tho' it's on roller bearings. It has no aftermarket springs, just ones modified in the manner describe by Marauder. Yet, it feeds and extracts any cartridge oal and most any bullet in both .38 Spl & .357 Mag. The ONLY gun I've ever felt that is as smooth is my Bill Oglesby tuned Colt SAA with his "Master Gunfighter" package, including adj. mainspring. Don't ask me how he does it, but, the hammer seems to fall back with just the weight of your thumb, yet every cap put under it has fired! And the trigger??? Crisp, clean w/o the hint of creep or overtravel! I MIGHT be a tad prejudiced, but the feel of those two arms is best described as "Sensual!"

To sum up... if you like a levergun, have just a smidgeon of mechanical aptitude (have proper screwdrivers, a drift and brass hammer) and are willing to devote 3-4 hours to it, the Rossi 1892 is the best bargain in the gun market! Otherwise, see Nate, his offer is the snd best bargain!

Sorry Nate, gotta call it like I see it! God bless, brother.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Being kind to myself, I don't have Nate's wealth of experience working on Rossi mdl 92s. I did my 1st one back in '87 for my wife following the less than stellar advice of other cowboy shooters that had slicked up their Rossi's, (more on that later). I then did my son's 1st Rossi in '89. I then got him (& me) an EMF Rossi in .45Colt and slicked it up in 2005. I then posted a review of that rifle on the CASCity forum. Where I got asked via a PM what were my steps in slicking up the rifle.

I wrote up my steps from memory and replied. Whereupon I was directed to Marauder's Rifle Tuning site. Boy, did I feel sandbagged! Now, my writeup of my method wasn't identical to Marauder's... but close enough that I saw immediately that I wouldn't ever try to describe to anyone how to slick up their Rossi again. Now I ain't seen Nate's video, but we've sat and discussed methodologies; others have described his video well enough that I'll state, "if between Marauder's Tips & Nate's video you don't think that you can do the work... I'd have to advise ya not to tackle anything more complicated than changing lightbulbs!

Now, putting in lighter springs WILL help improve the action... but, if you really wanna see a night/day change in a Rossi, do the full monte! Now I left a 'lil "heft" to the actions on my son's Rossi's, but my wife's... It's action is butter smooth. Literally, the lever feels as though it's a hot knife slicing thru butter as you push it forward, you can feel the cartridge jump from the mag to the carrier and as you pull it back you feel each of its jostlings as it passes thru the guides into the chamber! The lever itself feels as tho' it's on roller bearings. It has no aftermarket springs, just ones modified in the manner describe by Marauder. Yet, it feeds and extracts any cartridge oal and most any bullet in both .38 Spl & .357 Mag. The ONLY gun I've ever felt that is as smooth is my Bill Oglesby tuned Colt SAA with his "Master Gunfighter" package, including adj. mainspring. Don't ask me how he does it, but, the hammer seems to fall back with just the weight of your thumb, yet every cap put under it has fired! And the trigger??? Crisp, clean w/o the hint of creep or overtravel! I MIGHT be a tad prejudiced, but the feel of those two arms is best described as "Sensual!"

To sum up... if you like a levergun, have just a smidgeon of mechanical aptitude (have proper screwdrivers, a drift and brass hammer) and are willing to devote 3-4 hours to it, the Rossi 1892 is the best bargain in the gun market! Otherwise, see Nate, his offer is the snd best bargain!

Sorry Nate, gotta call it like I see it! God bless, brother.

Whatcha mean? I agree almost to the word. Once you know the sequence, working the 92 action isn't that hard. The only thing that I disagree with is cutting coils off that ejector spring. Not that it can't be done and continue to work. It's because I've seen too many of them that failed down the road. There's just not enough room for error. I feel a lighter spring made to the original length will be more reliable over the long haul .

[Griff]

Whatcha mean? I agree almost to the word. Once you know the sequence, working the 92 action isn't that hard. The only thing that I disagree with is cutting coils off that ejector spring. Not that it can't be done and continue to work. It's because I've seen too many of them that failed down the road. There's just not enough room for error. I feel a lighter spring made to the original length will be more reliable over the long haul .

Yep, we agree even there! Availability of aftermarket springs is relatively recent and I have no experience with 'em. But yes, I'd prefer a lighter spring there also. Getting that heavy factory spring the right length can take Many fittings!

[O.S.O.K.]

Maurader linky no worky.

ETA: found it: http://marauder.homestead.com/files/Rossitune.htm

Oh and thanks!

[Griff]

Maurader linky no worky.

ETA: found it: http://marauder.homestead.com/files/Rossitune.htm

Try it now!

[2X22]

and replaced the cheep junky plastic follower with a stainless one from Brownell's.

I'd sure like to order one of these. Could you please PLEASE help me find it on Brownell site? If there is one thing I am terrible at using is 'product search' keys. I just don't have a clue.

Thanks!

2x22

[COSteve]

and replaced the cheep junky plastic follower with a stainless one from Brownell's.

I'd sure like to order one of these. Could you please PLEASE help me find it on Brownell site? If there is one thing I am terrible at using is 'product search' keys. I just don't have a clue.

Thanks!

2x22

I don't see it listed on Brownells. Steve sells one himself. Just give him a call.

[O.S.O.K.]

I think from my past purusings of these on Brownells that they are factory plastic ones. So Steve's Gunz is the answer. I sure like mine.

[O.S.O.K.]

I know that I stated that the ejector was "rather robust" in an earlier reply in this thread - that was based on my limited experience ejecting the brass into my hands at the range.

Yesterday, I took a case and put it into the chamber and closed the action and then levered it open as normal - the brass flipped up and to the right about one foot and came down about 6" away - I could easily catch it. Surprised and pleased, I tried it again and levered more briskly - same results So it appears that this stock rifle has a spring that is tuned just right. I guess that also explains why the action feels decent too. Maybe Rossi is finally doing them right? Anyway, thought I'd add this update...

Again, anyone that's interested in getting one of these should definately take advantage of the Bud's gun deal - it won't last for much longer I am sure. And no, I don't have any affiliation with them - I just think this is a great deal and I don't stumble onto them very often...