Rossie model 92

mran1126 · Post by **mran1126** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:33 pm

Hi, everyone. Just got a Rossi Model 92 .44 mag. Got it at a local gun show ( Washington Arms Collectors). Blued, 20 in. round barrel. It was $450 out the door. Brand new in box. Brazil Tech version. I think I did ok.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:49 pm

I'll bet it will turn out to be one of your favorite guns ever.

My only gripe is they are harder to 'scope' than Marlins, but the solution to that is . . . don't scope them . . . !

I DO like the Williams FP's on them (but you have to drill/tap the receiver), and sometimes I like tang sights (but they have to be 'flipped up' and seem fragile to me). I'm getting to like my Marbles 'Bullseye' sight on the Puma 44 Mag ALOT (but it adjusts the same way the factory sights to, with the 'tap & slide' method).

I think for 'snap' shooting or always using one load, I prefer the Marble's, for a compact and durable setup that is more adjustable I most prefer the Williams FP, and for the 'vintage' look and just plain fun, I like the tang sights.

Mutt · Post by **Mutt** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:09 pm

I too enjoy mine. So far , right out of the box , it does great.

........................Mutt

gglass · Post by **gglass** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:56 am

mran1126 wrote:Hi, everyone. Just got a Rossi Model 92 .44 mag. Got it at a local gun show ( Washington Arms Collectors). Blued, 20 in. round barrel. It was $450 out the door. Brand new in box. Brazil Tech version. I think I did ok.

You will love your new Rossi. I know that I love mine.

My Rossi M92 Puma is a scout model chambered in .44 Magnum. This is the model that comes with a weaver scope mount from the factory. I will be picking up my next Rossi M92 Puma chambered in .357 Magnum on Monday. The new Puma comes the way John M Browning intended, with the exception of the new fangled safety.

My .44 Mag Scout:

mran1126 · Post by **mran1126** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:06 am

At the show where I got mine today......they also had one with the scope mount and cheek plate...but it was in .357. I wanted the .44 mag. and I always just use open sights anyway. When you say........" as John Browning intended "............what changes did they make to these new Rossi ones?

gglass · Post by **gglass** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:26 am

mran1126 wrote:At the show where I got mine today......they also had one with the scope mount and cheek plate...but it was in .357. I wanted the .44 mag. and I always just use open sights anyway. When you say........" as John Browning intended "............what changes did they make to these new Rossi ones?

I like open sights as well and that is why I'll be picking up my .357 Puma on Monday. The Scoped .44 Puma is my deer rifle, and I think it is more humane to hit a deer where the kill will be the most clean.

The Rossi M92 Pumas are a pretty exact copy of the Winchester 1892 that John Moses Browning designed, except that we now have MUCH better metallurgy. One complaint that you will hear about the Pumas is that Rossi added the ugly safety on top of the receiver. I don't have a particular complaint about the safety myself, but I would rather have a rifle that looks like it could have come from the year 1892. (I'm talking about my new open sight Rossi.)

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:02 pm

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gak · Post by **gak** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:54 pm

You'll love your Rossi. Steve Young (aka Nate Kiowa Jones) can help you do something about the fugly, ambiguous safety...either "just" plugging and/or replacing with one of the new peep sights he's been working on.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:42 pm

COSteve wrote:BTW, check under your rear sight for tapped scope mount holes. My .357 carbine has them but they aren't visible unless you remove the elevator on the rear sight. I found that out when I replaced my stock sights with a Marbles a bead front and semi-buckhorn rear a couple of days ago.

Same here. The little 16" .44 Mag my daughter is using for deer had that. FOUR holes just behind the dovetail for the barrel-mounted open sight. Found them when we replaced it with a Marble's Bullseye sight.

We put a higher front sight on it and chose a fiber-optic one, but it came in 'orange' and we swapped the fiber out for a 'green' one - much better in twilight.

Love the Rossi's....

...and the Marlin's....

...and the Ruger's....

...and ALL the others...!

Poohgyrr · Post by **Poohgyrr** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:05 pm

Absolutely. The Rossi's are real nice, I need a few more.

And Nate has a DVD on upgrading them a bit, or he can do it for you.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:31 pm

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Hanzerik · Post by **Hanzerik** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:04 pm

Like COSteve said, one is never enough.
I'm going to order replacement sights for the 20" tomorrow; Tang, front, and rear, and will save up a little to replace the sights on the 16" with a Marble's Bullseye rear, and a Marble's front.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:12 pm

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66GTO · Post by **66GTO** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:34 pm

Hanzerik wrote:Like COSteve said, one is never enough.
I'm going to order replacement sights for the 20" tomorrow; Tang, front, and rear, and will save up a little to replace the sights on the 16" with a Marble's Bullseye rear, and a Marble's front.

Nice Rossi's.

You must have taken photography lessons from YK!

mran1126 · Post by **mran1126** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:45 pm

That is interesting information about he different sights and the safety removal. I'll be thinking about some changes. Can that safety plug just be ordered from Steve Young? How difficult is it to install the tang sight?....I've never really done any of my own gunsmithing and have a little trepidation about doing even small things. But I guess it wouldn't be anything a gunsmith couldn't fix if I messed it up...lol

Hanzerik · Post by **Hanzerik** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:40 pm

Look behind your hammer; is there one or two screw heads. If there are two, then all you will need is the Tang Sight and the screw set COSteve posted.
On a side note; if you order from Brownells, then set yourself up as a gunsmith when you create your account, you will get a decent discount on stuff you order.

ETA: Hopefully the .450 (1/16" Barrel Mounted Front Sight, 45-W, Gold, .450" Ht) front sight I ordered for the 16" carbine a few minutes ago will be good-to-go. I measured my current one and it was at .410 or so I figured the taller one would ensure I wouldn't have to remove the rear elevator on the Bullseye Sight to get it to hit POA at 100 yards. Right now I am about 3" high at a 100yrds with my current front sight and the elevator all the way down to the last notch. I also ordered the screw set, front and rear sights for the 20" rifle. I need to converse with my better half to see if we can spare the funds for the Tang sight.

Sarge · Post by **Sarge** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:04 pm

Thanks for posting the Brownell's catalog numbers & pics of those sights, Steve. That was downright helpful of you.

Hanzerik · Post by **Hanzerik** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:48 pm

66GTO wrote:
Hanzerik wrote:Like COSteve said, one is never enough.
I'm going to order replacement sights for the 20" tomorrow; Tang, front, and rear, and will save up a little to replace the sights on the 16" with a Marble's Bullseye rear, and a Marble's front.

[SNIPPIC]
Nice Rossi's.

You must have taken photography lessons from YK!

I take it YK likes to get the toes in the pics too?

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:58 pm

Hanzerik wrote:
66GTO wrote:
Hanzerik wrote:Like COSteve said, one is never enough.
I'm going to order replacement sights for the 20" tomorrow; Tang, front, and rear, and will save up a little to replace the sights on the 16" with a Marble's Bullseye rear, and a Marble's front.

[SNIPPIC]
Nice Rossi's.

You must have taken photography lessons from YK!
I take it YK likes to get the toes in the pics too?

Just look at his posts and you will see the famous slippers.

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:26 am

I got my Rossi 92 on 29th October (a birthday present to myself) but have not shot it yet due to deer season and renovating the bathroom. No pictures posted due to PC problems, I am using an old laptop, but pictures and range report will come! I know I am going to enjoy it, it is a 44Mag with a 24" octagon barrel.

The great thing is the Rossi's they ship to Canada do not have the ugly bolt safety so I have a spare plug I got from Steve's Guns, anybody who wants it drop me a PM and I will send it

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:50 am

mran1126 wrote:That is interesting information about he different sights and the safety removal. I'll be thinking about some changes. Can that safety plug just be ordered from Steve Young? How difficult is it to install the tang sight?....I've never really done any of my own gunsmithing and have a little trepidation about doing even small things. But I guess it wouldn't be anything a gunsmith couldn't fix if I messed it up...lol

Yes. And while you're at it, the mag plug is a cinch to change too and Steve sells them too.

Lefty Dude · Post by **Lefty Dude** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:19 pm

Steve's mag plug replacement is a must do for a new model Puma. That plastic yellow thing will fail quickly. I replaced the one in my 92. Also I would replace the spring with a Stainless.

Keep your mag tube's cleaned and oiled, they will rust & corrode very fast.

Hanzerik · Post by **Hanzerik** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:26 pm

Borregos wrote:I got my Rossi 92 on 29th October (a birthday present to myself) but have not shot it yet due to deer season and renovating the bathroom. No pictures posted due to PC problems, I am using an old laptop, but pictures and range report will come! I know I am going to enjoy it, it is a 44Mag with a 24" octagon barrel.

The great thing is the Rossi's they ship to Canada do not have the ugly bolt safety so I have a spare plug I got from Steve's Guns, anybody who wants it drop me a PM and I will send it

Thanks for the Plug Borregos, fit a little loose, but no biggy. I understand that NKJ needs to make it so it fits slight variations. Just need to clean up the red/green markings.

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:51 pm

COSteve, those are sights that I would like to get. Thanks for the Brownell's part numbers.

Did you have to doctor the dovetail to get them to fit? I've read that the Rossi/Puma has dovetail cuts that are just a wee bit different than standard.

Hanzerik · Post by **Hanzerik** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:31 pm

I did the same sight setup as Steve. The dove tails are a hair larger then normal. On my 20" (above) the front sight was a very tight fit with no shimming needed. The rear sight was a hair loose and required a shim. Piece of paper thickness and it was tight.

My 16" was the opposite; the rear was tight, the front was a hair loose and required a shim.

20"

16"

JReed · Post by **JReed** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 7:42 pm

Hanzerik
I dont mean to high-jack but that rear sight is cool where did you get it?

Hanzerik · Post by **Hanzerik** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:16 pm

JReed wrote:Hanzerik
I dont mean to high-jack but that rear sight is cool where did you get it?

Marble's Bullseye Rear Sight from Brownells

579-000-163 BULLS EYE SHORT SIGHT 1 12.65 12.65 <<--- That's the price if you are registered as a gunsmith.

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:09 pm

Hanzerik wrote:
Borregos wrote:I got my Rossi 92 on 29th October (a birthday present to myself) but have not shot it yet due to deer season and renovating the bathroom. No pictures posted due to PC problems, I am using an old laptop, but pictures and range report will come! I know I am going to enjoy it, it is a 44Mag with a 24" octagon barrel.

The great thing is the Rossi's they ship to Canada do not have the ugly bolt safety so I have a spare plug I got from Steve's Guns, anybody who wants it drop me a PM and I will send it
Thanks for the Plug Borregos, fit a little loose, but no biggy. I understand that NKJ needs to make it so it fits slight variations. Just need to clean up the red/green markings.

YOU ARE VERY WELCOME

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sun Nov 29, 2009 10:48 pm

Choices...................

A bolt peep that replaces the safety

and a Williams top-mount peep ILO a side-mounted one

Both used the factory/height front sight blade on 16" big loop .357 & .45 carbines to acheive zero w/o issues.
.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:46 am

Hanzerik wrote:
Borregos wrote:I got my Rossi 92 on 29th October (a birthday present to myself) but have not shot it yet due to deer season and renovating the bathroom. No pictures posted due to PC problems, I am using an old laptop, but pictures and range report will come! I know I am going to enjoy it, it is a 44Mag with a 24" octagon barrel.

The great thing is the Rossi's they ship to Canada do not have the ugly bolt safety so I have a spare plug I got from Steve's Guns, anybody who wants it drop me a PM and I will send it
Thanks for the Plug Borregos, fit a little loose, but no biggy. I understand that NKJ needs to make it so it fits slight variations. Just need to clean up the red/green markings.

If you want to tighten it up a bit take the pin back out, turn the plug at least 90 degree, reach in the pin hole with a sharp scribe and mark it. Then take the plug out and file a slightly shallower notch in it so that when you re-install it the pin will tighten it up some. OBTW, I use a sharpie to run out the red and green.

Hanzerik · Post by **Hanzerik** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:50 am

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
Hanzerik wrote:
Borregos wrote:I got my Rossi 92 on 29th October (a birthday present to myself) but have not shot it yet due to deer season and renovating the bathroom. No pictures posted due to PC problems, I am using an old laptop, but pictures and range report will come! I know I am going to enjoy it, it is a 44Mag with a 24" octagon barrel.

The great thing is the Rossi's they ship to Canada do not have the ugly bolt safety so I have a spare plug I got from Steve's Guns, anybody who wants it drop me a PM and I will send it
Thanks for the Plug Borregos, fit a little loose, but no biggy. I understand that NKJ needs to make it so it fits slight variations. Just need to clean up the red/green markings.

If you want to tighten it up a bit take the pin back out, turn the plug at least 90 degree, reach in the pin hole with a sharp scribe and mark it. Then take the plug out and file a slightly shallower notch in it so that when you re-install it the pin will tighten it up some. OBTW, I use a sharpie to run out the red and green.

I was thinking of doing just that.

Nixterdemus · Post by **Nixterdemus** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:20 am

[quote="COSteve"]Rossi '92s . . . . . . . . . one is never enough!!

I have a 20" octagon brl 44 mag which is the same manufacture as the top rifle of yours in the pic w/tang sight. I'm guessing this is a legacy because it has the forearm cap and the mag tube screws into the barrel, or something to that effect, instead of having two barrel bands like the bottom Rossi of yours.

I should be able to use the same height front sight, thanks for numbers and the larger sight reference, yet I'm confused by the rear tang screw size. I'm reading in different places that a screw is available that does or doesn't need the head trimmed and/or length cut.

As well I bought a 20" round brl 45 Colt of the same style. I also need a rear tang screw for it and I want to install the larger size marble front sight.

Is the height the same on the front sights between the round and octagon brl? I'd guess the round brl sights might need to be a little taller. I'm also going to install the folding sights that you show.

I'm hoping to order two of the 3/32" front sights, two folding and two rear tang sight screws at the same time and hopefully from the same place. I already have two tang peep sights.

Thanks for any & all answers.

I'll snag a couple of safety plugs from Steve Young & his DVD.(Edit Trey: Add steel mag tube follower, ejector spring and SS mag tube tensoin spring.) Speaking of would the SS model Puma come w/SS mag spring?

A few more things in this edit: What if any are the differences between the two styles of Rossi's? Did Legacy have Rossi produce their line w/forearm cap, butt stock plate and w/o the barrel bands because they like the looks?

I'm guesstamating again that the receiver, mechanics and barrel grooves are the same and basically there is only cosmetic differences.

Are the brl bands considered to be more traditional? I've noticed a few of the Rossi/pre-Chippa inventory left in a 357 in the twin brl band style as the rifle in the bottom pic. Santa is about broke, but the 357 cartridge is appealing. I wouldn't be concerned about blow-by, yet I'm curious id AL Blazer would function as well as brass.

FWIW, I read a review on the brl band Rossi and the gent complained about furniture lacking and not fitting well although I appreciate the price and function above cosmetics.
Sorry for the barrage of questions. Thanks again.

Edit Duece: The more I look it appears some of the pics of round brl has the brl bands and some don't while all the hex uses a differing magazine fastening. Kinda what is throwing me off is that Buds has a model number for what they list as Puma but have no model number for the left over, listed as Rossi though both have Buds stock number.

Puma 45 Long Colt Lever Action w/20" Round Barrel/Walnut Sto

Model: PCH57201 Item Condition: Factory New Bud's Item Number: 58092
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Rossi 45 Colt Lever Action w/20" Round Blue Barrel/Walnut St

Model: Item Condition: Factory New Bud's Item Number: 56505
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They are all grouped here by 45 cal search: https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/adv ... st%5B0%5D=
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Buds has the top listing "Puma" pointing to the right and the left pointing, "Rossi" pointing to the left though it's been my understanding that they are both Rossi manufactured.

I apologize for all the ink n inquires, but it's confusing for an old man...

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:32 am

I'll take a quick stab at your questions. Legacy Sports just imported Rossi Rifles and Carbines that are reasonable facsimiles of the Winchester mdl 1892 in various forms.

The "RIFLE" version is generally described as having no barrel bands, barrels can be round or octagon, have a slightly longer forend mounted with a cap and have a crescent shaped buttplate.

"Carbine" versions generally have two barrel bands (one for the forend wood, one for the barrel/mag tube), barrels are round, and the buttplate is wider and of a more rounded shape than the crescent.

The above is true whether the importer is LSI, EMF or ? I believe that LSI now imports their "Puma" (previously manufactured by Rossi) from Chiappi of Italy. This arm is considerably more expensive and has slightly different, internally. Chiappi (formly Armi Sport, Armi San Marco, etc) also manufactures a rifle version that is a "take-down", i.e. the barrel and forend can be separated from the stock and receiver. Handy for storage and travel.

Hope that didn't make it more confusing?

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:48 am

Nick, Got your email also but I'll respond here for both. First of all, your 20" octagon bbl rifle isn't a carbine but rather a Short Rifle. Look on the rear tang and you should see a small screw behind the hammer. This is the plug as your tang is D&T for the tang sight screw.

The Brownells p/ns for the Marbles sights I listed above will work for your 44 Short Rifle just the same as they did for my 24" 357 rifle. BTW, under the picture of the tang sight I list the p/n for the for the tang sight screw set. You just remove the two existing screws and install the sight with the new ones. They fit correctly as delivered.

Now your 20" round bbl 45 sounds like a Short Rifle too. If it has a forend cap then its a Short Rifle. If it has the bbl band like my lower one then its a carbine. To my knowledge, the 20" carbines don't have the second D&T hole to mount the tang sight (mine doesn't) so you'd have to either do it yourself or have a gunsmith do it.

Now to the front sight height questions. Both the fold down rear and tang sights are adjustable in height so you should be able to use the same sight set for both as you can do any height adjustment on the rear sights. I used a .370" high front sight (37W) on my octagon bbl 357 rifle and a .450" high one (45W) on my round bbl 357 carbine. I don't know if the bbls of the 44 and 45LC are the same dia. as my 357 bbls. I guess I need to ask the rest of the people here to verify those.

gak · Post by **gak** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:54 am

And to confuse matters further regarding the various variants of 92s out there, the Chiappa "Trappers" (16") available through Cimarron, etc, are not the traditional trappers which are basically shortened (from 20") round barrel'd carbines with barrel bands, but instead are shortened "short rifles."

Poohgyrr · Post by **Poohgyrr** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:44 am

Speaking of Trappers, I really like the short carbines, but the short "short tifles" are also pretty good. Good for Cimarron, and wow their list prices are just short of a thousand.

Here is a short short rifle that Nate made, inspired by a certain '54 Winchester M94 in 30-30.

Nixterdemus · Post by **Nixterdemus** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:37 pm

Thank you gents for clarifying the muddy stream w/these short rifle/carbines. I Appreciate the tidbits coz I'm a wet behind the ears greenhorn/tenderfoot. Obviously enough I don't much about the levers, but I made the plunge. The 20" 44 mag is slated to be a X-mas gift leaving me w/20" SS 45 Colt. I thought about trying to pick up a 357 coz I thought it would/might compliment my 45 better than a 44 mag. I might receive these by x-mas. Right now I'm still lookin' at pictures of what they're supposed to look like. Earlier I could have bought the 16" carbine or the 24" rifle, but I figured I'd try to split the difference for the time being twixt the two.

Break down model. S-u-we-e-et!

Thanks as well for pointing out the parts. I tried to talk myself into the 480, but I'm not yet reloading and couldn't convince myself of spending that much on ammo. I did like the ideal of a large, low pressure round that was around 1 & 1/2 times as powerful as the 44 mag. Seemed as if I could shoot a 45/70 almost as cheap as the 480.

" I don't know if the bbls of the 44 and 45LC are the same dia. as my 357 bbls."

I wonder naturally coz I don't know if I need to subtract the difference, split the difference in half and subtract that or subtract nothing at all. I think I'd want as little height on the front sight as possible so long as the tang sight could still see over the fold down sight. I see a screw on the right side face of the folding sight. Does that screw adjust the center portion for elevation? I have a good two weeks to gnaw on that.

I like the looks of the 16" carbine and no doubt they would be handy to swing around. Trying to make one be my everything rifle/carbine. I also notice that they didn't produce the 454 or the 480 in a 24" brl. That appears to tell me they are right on the edge.
If the 480 came in a 28" brl I'd find a way to afford some store bought ammo or start reloading. The price was right on the Rossi/Puma and I wanted to pick up one or two now coz I sure can't afford a Chippa at twice the price.

I considered a 30-30 however I thought maybe pairing up a pistol cartridge would be handy for around the house and plinkin'.

Post by **Hobie** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:51 pm

COSteve wrote:
mran1126 wrote:That is interesting information about he different sights and the safety removal. I'll be thinking about some changes. Can that safety plug just be ordered from Steve Young? How difficult is it to install the tang sight?....I've never really done any of my own gunsmithing and have a little trepidation about doing even small things. But I guess it wouldn't be anything a gunsmith couldn't fix if I messed it up...lol
Yes. And while you're at it, the mag plug is a cinch to change too and Steve sells them too.

Follower.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:07 pm

Good Catch!

TX Gun Runner · Post by **TX Gun Runner** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:59 am

I've been shooting this Rossi for over 15 yrs in SASS/CAS matches and has NEVER jammed or miss fired . I made the tang sight .

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:07 am

COSteve wrote: I don't know if the bbls of the 44 and 45LC are the same dia. as my 357 bbls. I guess I need to ask the rest of the people here to verify those.

Steve, I ordered the same sights your used for my 24" 44mag. It shot high and I had to drop the rear sight all the way down to get zero at 50 yds with 240gr jacketed. Actually, I think the .410 might have worked better and I may order one and try it. But before I do, I want to try it with some cast bullets, which is what I usually shoot.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:12 pm

Actually if your rifle is shooting high you raise the front sight not lower it.

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:22 pm

Maybe I'm confused. The number you posted for the front sight was 579-103-731, which is .375. The sight I thought I might order is .410. That IS a taller sight, right?

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:45 pm

Sorry, my confusion. I was thinking about my 20" carbine. It's sight is a 45W (.450") tall. The 37W should work great with the tang and folding rear sight I listed because they do on my 24" 357 octagon barreled Rossi.

Sarge · Post by **Sarge** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:51 am

COSteve wrote:I got the Marbles sights at Brownells. What you want is as follows:

* 1ea Marble 37W 1/16" Gold front sight - Stock no. 579-103-731 (I got the 1/16" wide one for more precision but they also have a 3/32" wide one too)

* 1ea Marble Folding Sporting Rear Sight No. 95 - Stock No. 579-000-082 (you need a folding one so it doesn't block the tang)

.... (made specifically for your Rossi '92)

Well, not exactly.

The good news is that these do fit the oddball dovetail on the Rossi 92.

The bad news is that if you've got a 16" .45 Colt, they'll still shoot a full six inches high at 25 yards with the notch dropped down as far as it'll go. With the sight folded down, as in Steve's bottom photo, I used the front sight like a shotgun bead and was able to hit a 4" square at the same distance.

For the shorter barrelled .45 Colt with 250 grain factory-dup loads, you'll need a substantially taller front sight. I'll post the proper front sight height for this rifle when I get it all sorted out. I've got to do some measuring and may just commit surgery on the rear sight if there's enough meat to remove, in the right places.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 11:10 am

Sarge is correct that the 16" bbl versions take different sights, however, the OP was asking about a 20" carbine and the 45W front sight I have on mine is correct as I stated while the 37W is correct for my 24" oct bbl rifle.

revolvergeek · Post by **revolvergeek** » Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:17 pm

Sarge wrote:Thanks for posting the Brownell's catalog numbers & pics of those sights, Steve. That was downright helpful of you.

Yes indeed! That makes things very simple. Thanks.

Sarge · Post by **Sarge** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:24 pm

Just an update...I did some measuring on my 16" 45 Colt and determined that .450 might be a tad short to correct its penchant for high shooting. So I ordered the Marbles 50W from Brownells, part # 579-105-031 and installed it this morning.

That broke it from sucking eggs and a few quick offhand shots at 15 yards overlapped each other, right where they belong on the top edge of the bead. This is with the sight leaf set about 1/8" under the top of the rear blade.

It'll dead-zero it at 100 yards with my hunting load and still have room to spare.

Nate Kiowa Jones · Post by **Nate Kiowa Jones** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:49 pm

Sarge wrote:Just an update...I did some measuring on my 16" 45 Colt and determined that .450 might be a tad short to correct its penchant for high shooting. So I ordered the Marbles 50W from Brownells, part # 579-105-031 and installed it this morning.

That broke it from sucking eggs and a few quick offhand shots at 15 yards overlapped each other, right where they belong on the top edge of the bead. This is with the sight leaf set about 1/8" under the top of the rear blade.

It'll dead-zero it at 100 yards with my hunting load and still have room to spare.

What I've found id the 16" in 44mag and 45lc all pretty much shoot high even with the stock sight from rossi. I sell and recommend the .50 for the 16" guns.
The thing to remember when ordering that sight is Marbles sells the 50W in several configurations. It is available with 1/16" and 3/32" brass beads or white and also in red or green Hi-Vis so there are actually 6 different numbers for the 50W.

COSteve · Post by **COSteve** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:44 pm

Just to add to Nate's statement above, I have a 1/16" brass bead front on my 24" rifle and its a precision shooting front sight. My 20" carbine wears the 3/32" brass bead front sight and that's more of a normal width front sight.