Forum rules
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.
Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
Any one here have current or previous experience with the .225 Winchester? I have a line on a single shot and the owner thinks it's a 1/12 twist.
I understand it's comparable to the .22-250 and maybe the .223 (maybe it fits between them?) and a look at the reloading manuals shows it uses many of the same bullets as the .223 (and maybe the .22-250? I did yard work tonight and things are a little jumbled in me head right now... ).
Any pitfalls or quirks with the round? Things to avoid? Does it shine at anything in particular (besides the brass? )?
Any excuse to talk myself into another SCHV varmint round....
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
IT WAS/IS A PERFECTLY ADEQUATE 22 HIGH VELOCITY CARTRIDGE BROUGHT FORTH BY W-W TO REPLACE THE 220SWIFT. IT DID NOT COME CLOSE TO BEING A SWIFT--ACTUALLY THE 224WEATHERBY IS THE 225'S CLOSEST BALLISTIC TWIN-- AND THE 22-250 ATE IT'S BREAKFAST, DINNER, AND SUPPER. IT WAS ALL BUT A COMPLETE FLOP IN THE MARKETPLACE. I DO BELIEVE MOSTLY THIS FLOP WAS DUE TO THE POST '64 MODEL 70 WITH WHICH W-W INTRODUCED THE CARTRIDGE. ALSO, THE 225WIN HAS A SEMI RIM DESIGN WHICH MOST GUNNIES DID NOT UNDERSTAND NOR DID THEY LIKE IT.
WERE IT NOT FOR J.D. JONES AND HIS MYRIAD OF WILDCAT CARTRIDGE USING THE 225 CASE THE WHOLE THING WOULD HAVE DIED AND BEEN LONG BURIED.
INTERESTINGLY, THE 225WIN AND THAT EXCREBABLE POST '64 M70 HAVE THE REPUTATION OF BEING ONE OF THE MOST ACCURATE RIFLE/CARTRIDGE COMBINATIONS EVER PUT IN THE U.S. OF A. MARKETPLACE.
LESSON OVER, QUIZ AND REVIEW TOMORROW.
Thanks! So it loses to the .22-250, is even with or slightly ahead of the .222/.223, has excellent accuracy potential and I don't really need it unless I just really want another HV .22. I can live with that!
Terry Murbach wrote:LESSON OVER, QUIZ AND REVIEW TOMORROW.
Uh-oh...open book I hope?
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
The .225 Winchester has about 10% less capacity than the .22-250. The corresponding velocity differences are a lot less than 10%, however. More like 4% for any bullet weight.
I have one I just bought, a single shot custom built on a Martini Cadet action. Just acquired it and am loading for it now. Factory ammo is about $30-35 per box depending on where you find it.
Remington40x wrote:I have one I just bought, a single shot custom built on a Martini Cadet action. Just acquired it and am loading for it now. Factory ammo is about $30-35 per box depending on where you find it.
Pics please? I'm a sucker for custom Martinis...
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
I'm a complete idiot when it comes to posting photos. I have two pictures on my computer, but not a clue how to make them available for viewing. If you PM me your e-mail, I do know how to attach them to an e-mail message.
The photos are the ones taken by the seller. The gun was listed on Auctionarms and I was the winning (and only) bidder. I won the auction about three weeks ago, so the photos should still be available in the closed auctions folder there.
I love the 225 Win. It looks like a 30-30 cartridge with a small bullet. I have a long-time client, Mr. McQueen, who used a 225 Win for nearly everything. I have seen him shoot fox and coyote at 150 and 200 yds with DRT results. He shoot whitetail deer and antelope with this cartridge and his handloads, which I believe are 55 grain or 60 gr NP's. He has shot some smallish rams and hogs with me to using the 225 Win. While I don't believe the cartridge is entirely adequate for anything over 100 pound max, if you put the bullet where it belongs within fairly close range on deer sized game it will kill them, of course. One thing that helps is what Terry stated previously, it is insanely accurate and light recoiling too. The rifle McQueen is using is a Savage rifle and it groups 5 shots into a dime at 100 yds from the bench with scope. He has shot an elk with it when he was a kid. He told me he just decided to go elk hunting when he was around 20 years old. He knew where elk frequently crossed. He sat under a tree and when the elk came within 75 yards he shot a bull. He says the bull just stood there so he shot it again. It remained standing their for 30 seconds or more while all the other elk ran off. After two shots and a half minute the elk started to walk, went 10 steps and fell over dead. Okay so this is not an elk cartridge either but he didn't know any better in those days and probably would have argued that it was an elk rifle. The 225 is neither super fast nor super compact. It is a pretty big case for a little bullet at moderate velocity. It is one of those cartridge that, in spite of paper ballistics, just works. I would like one for varmints, small rams and blackbuck and maybe a few other select applications. It is a cool bit of nostalgia and history that can be resurrected by an individual to serve valiantly in modern times.
86er wrote:It is a pretty big case for a little bullet at moderate velocity.
Borderline overbored perhaps? Sounds like it could be a throat eater or barrel burner if loaded too hot, hmmm. So far I haven't heard anything to dissuade me which is good. Or bad...
I'll know tomorrow if it's still available and I'll know Monday if I can do it.
Rem40x, PM inbound.
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
Thanks for posting the photos. I really like the rifle.
I've sold several custom Martini Cadets over the years. (Apparently, I don't learn from my mistakes until I make them several times.) I think this one will stay.
To tell the truth, I'd buy back all three of the ones I've sold if I could only get the buyers to sell them to me. I know who has two of them and so far he's not even dignified my begging with a response.
Well, it looks like I missed out on the .225 I was thinking about. It was a H&R/NEF .223 barrel that had been rechambered to .225 Win.
The good news is now I know it can be done! Plus I found a 'smith (if he'll answer my email) through the H&R/NEF board who'll rechamber and rebore a .204, .22H or .223 barrel to 6.5 Swede...
40x, any idea whose barrel is on the baby? I gotta try to rebarrel a Martini someday.
Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits.
-Mark Twain
Proverbs 3:5; Philippians 4:13
Got to have a Jones for this
Jones for that
This running with the Joneses boy
Just ain't where it's at
I have a .225 in a win hi-wall that I regularly use on prarie dogs. I love the cartridge. My loads of 33 gr IWR 4064 under a 50 gr V-max runs just slightly behind my 22-250's. I like the round so much that I'm about to re-chamber a Ruger #1 into the .225. IMO, this round is much better than the .223; it is a much longer range cartridge. Standard twist is 14, but a 12 twist should work. For some pics of my rifle and scope, take a look in the articles section for "The Red Mist Rifle" which I posted a few years ago. If you can lay in a supply of brass and work up a load for your gun, you won't be disappointed. Tom
Seller said Douglas barrel. Gunsmith was a guy named Baily (think that's the correct spelling) who was California based, again according to the seller.
Got 100 rounds loaded this weekend, but we had monsoon level rains on Sunday, so I didn't get to try any of them out. Next weekend, I hope.
).
)?
It was a H&R/NEF .223 barrel that had been rechambered to .225 Win.