Got my 1894 back (chopped to 16")

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Got my 1894 back (chopped to 16")

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Sent it to The Smith Shop for a bob job. Bill English did a superb job. The crown looks almost too nice (it's a giveaway that it wasn't factory).... The chunks of BBL and mag tube he sent back weigh 12 ounces. Now the gun balances with two fingers under the front of the receiver.
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16.25" bbl, 33 1/4" overall. It holds 10 (or 11, depending on OAL)+1 rounds of Cowboy .45 Special. Conversion and short stroke to 4 5/8" lever throw by Gary Blansett, one-piece FP and light spring, SS mag tube spring and follower, Grabber (big bead) sight on the front, Marbles peep on the back. Engraving by Jim Downing.
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That sure is one cute carbine!
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Nice :D :mrgreen:
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Very nice looking carbine.
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Looks like a good little brother to the other one!
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Sweet lookin' shooter. 1886.
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I like it alot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Very nice, Jack. Oughta swing a little quicker now! Just don't go TOO FAST! :mrgreen:
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Sweet :mrgreen: !
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Nice!
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Now take oct piece of barrel and put in one of you handguns , should make a great looking SASS/CAS gun . I did that and made a black powder gun

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That looks nice. I miss the Win 94 Trapper I had. Was 44 Mag, and traded it for my 1895GS. No regrest on the trade but I miss the light weight of the trapper.

Does the Marlin 1895's in either 44 Mag or 45 Colt, use ballard rifling or still button?

How much was the short throw conversion?
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The Marlin 1894s in .45 Colt are all ballard rifled. Some of the .44s are ballard, some are microgroove. The trouble with the .44s is the ridiculously slow twist, which won't stabilize heavy bullets. The .45s have a fast enough twist to stabilize a hammerhead ;)
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Can someone rationally explain to me the "WHY" of wrapping the lever with leather....???

None of the reasons I've ever heard make a lick of practical sense to me.

But then.......
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Buck, the lever wrap is a "bushing", making the lever fit the hand with less space around it. The function is to allow the hand to flop around less inside the lever, making cycling time faster. This is an asset when shooting Cowboy Action, where of course, time is of the essence. My marlins are "short stroked", so the lever throw is only 4 5/8". With the further reduction of lost motion by padding the lever loop with a wrap, I can plant my thumb at the receiver to wood joint, right alongside the hammer, and cycle the gun by simply flicking my fingers. My wrist never even moves.

For a HUNTING gun, especially one used with gloves, I'd take the wrap off.

Another reason folks use em is to cushion the lever so their soft hands don't get torn up cycling the lever fast. This would be an issue with many stock rifles, as they cycle with a good bit of resistance. Mine are "race actions", with a good bit of polishing and lighter mainsprings, so again, not an issue. But if ya ever tried to cycle a stock levergun at top speed, and do it maybe 60 or 100 times, yer gonna git tore up if ya haven't got hard hands or a wrapped lever.
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adirondakjack wrote:Buck, the lever wrap is a "bushing", making the lever fit the hand with less space around it. The function is to allow the hand to flop around less inside the lever, making cycling time faster. This is an asset when shooting Cowboy Action, where of course, time is of the essence. My marlins are "short stroked", so the lever throw is only 4 5/8". With the further reduction of lost motion by padding the lever loop with a wrap, I can plant my thumb at the receiver to wood joint, right alongside the hammer, and cycle the gun by simply flicking my fingers. My wrist never even moves.

For a HUNTING gun, especially one used with gloves, I'd take the wrap off.

Another reason folks use em is to cushion the lever so their soft hands don't get torn up cycling the lever fast. This would be an issue with many stock rifles, as they cycle with a good bit of resistance. Mine are "race actions", with a good bit of polishing and lighter mainsprings, so again, not an issue. But if ya ever tried to cycle a stock levergun at top speed, and do it maybe 60 or 100 times, yer gonna git tore up if ya haven't got hard hands or a wrapped lever.
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Well... I seem to have heard such tales before, and they STILL make no sense to me. I AM a cowboy shooter; shoot a Uberti '73 and/or Winchester '92. I ain't the "machinegun" type speed shooter, but I seem to do all right. The guns are both pretty much STOCK, and I've never been hurt by either, nor by my '86, or any other levergun I can remember shooting. As for "moving around" inside the lever loop: I just don't seem to notice it when I'm shootin'...

Then again, I must have 'hard' hands, at least I don't have fat, fleshy fingers like a lot of guys seem to possess lately...

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What is the nominal bullet dia for the 45 Colt? Is it the same as some handguns .429?
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Buck - the back of my fingers have a very thin layer of flesh & nerves then bone. If I cycle the lever rapidly on any of my several lever actions the back of my fingers will be sore very quickly.

Handirifle - the 45 Colt uses a .452 diameter bullet, not .429
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Sweet! 8) So, what is engraved on the receiver/bolt cover?
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Jim Downing "The Gun Engraver" and I did a little horse trading at a SASS regional in 07. He engraved the bolts on both my Marlins (the other one is #1), denoting the first and second Marlins ever to be converted to use my C45S round (there are a couple dozen of em now that I know of).
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adirondakjack wrote:Image
Jim Downing "The Gun Engraver" and I did a little horse trading at a SASS regional in 07. He engraved the bolts on both my Marlins (the other one is #1), denoting the first and second Marlins ever to be converted to use my C45S round (there are a couple dozen of em now that I know of).
Super-cool!!! 8) 8) 8)

Say AJ, I think you posted this before, but would you have a side by side photo of the standard .45 Colt compared to the C45S cartridge? I'm sure everyone would appreciate it! :D
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Very nice!

Are those cartridge case heads inlet into the stocks?

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Cherokee wrote:Buck - the back of my fingers have a very thin layer of flesh & nerves then bone. If I cycle the lever rapidly on any of my several lever actions the back of my fingers will be sore very quickly.

Handirifle - the 45 Colt uses a .452 diameter bullet, not .429


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AJ,

Do you taper crimp or roll crimp your .45 Cowboy loads?

If you roll, who's die do you use? I've been thinking of going to your igenious system but the crimp issue puzzels me.

Great lookin' pair o' rifles, thanks for showing 'em.


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