purpose of ejector collar

[45-70-]

As the title says, what is the pupose of the ejector collar? I have an older SRC Puma in 357 mag that had a really rough, hard to work action. I took it apart and cleaned up and polished the action. While putting it back together I could not get the bolt to close with the ejector collar in place. On close examination, trying to push the ejector in with the ejector spring and collar, there just wasnt enough room. With out the collar, the ejector works fine with just the spring in place. Is the collar necesssary? Will it harm anything to not use it?

[Griff]

The collar is there to hold the ejector spring and ejector in position. Yep, they're a pain to get in, but without 'em somethin' falls out... the ejector.

From Marauder's site:

Instructions - Compliments of Eight Bits


** Note: to more easily assemble the bolt area, use a dummy shell.
Place empty cartridge on boltface so it helps hold ejector etc in place,
Slide bolt into receiver and just start the dummy round into the chamber.
This allows more room to work the lever into position and holds everything in place.
Phinneas Flimflam



The above photo shows the assembled bolt with a spent cartridge used to hold the ejector spring compressed and all parts in the correct orientation. The spent cartridge holds everything together and allows the bolt to slide into the chamber so you can more easily install the lever to the bolt. Be careful as the cartridge has a tendency to slip and cause parts to fly around the room.

[45-70-]

Thanks Griff for the help. This isnt the first 92 I have owned and I have never had a problem putting the things back together. This was a beast of another color though. My ejector has a hump on the end of it and once the lever connecting pin is inserted back through the bolt, the ejector is locked in place. I have tried to get it to come out but the hump on the end of the ejector will not ride over the pin holding it all together. Affter studying the parts and assembling and disassembling, I cant figure out the purpose of the collar since my ejector has the hump built into it. Also, there was no closing the bolt with the spring and collar in place. Either the collar is too long or spring is to long but without the collar everything fits and functions and the ejector will not come out. I just pulled the gun out and tried to pry the ejector out, no dice. Now this is one of the older guns with the Puma emblem on the side if that makes any difference. Its puzzling.

[J Miller]

45-70-,

Are these the original parts that came out of this rifle? If so then they have to go back into it.

That collar is supposed to be in there. Without it the ejector will come out eventually. The collar holds the ejector rod centered so the lever pin holds it.

I had fits with my Rossi too. But I finally got it back together.

Joe

[Griff]

Back in '88 when I bought my first Rossi I had fits putting it back to together and tried leaving the collar out... no good, the ejector would slip forward and rotate, I finally got it back together after a phone call to a friend and he tole me about the cartridge under the extractor and partially into the chamber trick.

Like Joe said, if those parts came in that gun, they oughta go BACK in. Maybe Nate will chime in with some of his much wider knowledge about the Rossi's. (I have some limited experience, and gave it my best shot).

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Thanks Griff for the help. This isnt the first 92 I have owned and I have never had a problem putting the things back together. This was a beast of another color though. My ejector has a hump on the end of it and once the lever connecting pin is inserted back through the bolt, the ejector is locked in place. I have tried to get it to come out but the hump on the end of the ejector will not ride over the pin holding it all together. Affter studying the parts and assembling and disassembling, I cant figure out the purpose of the collar since my ejector has the hump built into it. Also, there was no closing the bolt with the spring and collar in place. Either the collar is too long or spring is to long but without the collar everything fits and functions and the ejector will not come out. I just pulled the gun out and tried to pry the ejector out, no dice. Now this is one of the older guns with the Puma emblem on the side if that makes any difference. Its puzzling.

Hi Darrel,
i got your eamil, I just haven't got to it yet. The collar/bushing is there to prevent wear to the top front of the lever. If you don't have it in there the spring being harder than the lever will wear to the lever. What I would do to locate the problem you are having is take it back apart and assemble the bolt/lever/ejector/bushing and spring outside the gun. Try pushing in on the ejector as you work the lever. If the ejector binds in any way, that will most likely be your problem. From what you said it appears the collar is not moving freely on the ejector or in the hole there in the bolt.

[45-70-]

Thanks guys, I will try again. I tried assembling it out of the gun and pushing on the ejector with all my force and could not compress it enough. I know the spring goes on first, then the collar but it just wasnt working. Any problems with shortening the collar? And as far as if they are the original parts, I dont know, its a used gun in mint condition.