Uberti colt burgess rifle

[barbarossa]

Hi
I wason another forum and found out that Uberti is planning on making a Colt Burgess rifle.It is supposed to be at the Shot Show this year.

[J Miller]

Ummmm, uh, oh kay ...... now I am curious. Something DIFFERENT and interesting but still a lever gun. No doubt it will be priced way out of my reach, but I can still slobber on the key board.

Joe

[gamekeeper]

Perhaps someone read my comments back in November.

Post subject: Re: A neat piece of history for salePosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:13 pm


Not knowing much about the Colt Burgess rifles, to me it looks like a sturdy well designed gun.
Does it have faults? If not, would it be hard or too expensive to reproduce perhaps in Italy?
Seeing how many fine old designs are recreated there, I think that one would find a market if it was priced right and reliable.

Thanks for posting, it's got me daydreaming about firearms again!!!!

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[Nath]

I just googled on one, looks sturdy but trim and smooth lines.

Nath.

[KWK]

Ooooo, I may have to get one of those. I have a book covering the Burgess patent guns. I recall the author saying the Colt was not terribly reliable. Perhaps Uberti will make some needed changes. It's basically the 1881 Marlin scaled down to pistol length cartridges.

Uberti is quite welcome to start making thin frame 1881's any time they want!

[marlinman93]

Now you're talking! I wish Uberti would make both versions of the 1881 Marlin! A .45-70 and a .38-55 would be great for those who want a 1881, but can't afford the originals.

[KWK]

A fellow at CAScity has posted pictures and a few comments on the Burgess he handled before the SHOT show. Cimarron will be carrying them.

[adirondakjack]

The Colt Burgess shares some of the innards with that other (in)famous piece, the Lightning rifle. I just hope it doesn't share the notorious lack of reliability the Lightning clones have demonstrated.

[Ysabel Kid]

Ummmm, uh, oh kay ...... now I am curious. Something DIFFERENT and interesting but still a lever gun. No doubt it will be priced way out of my reach, but I can still slobber on the key board.

Joe

+1 I think I will be slobbering a lot more than buying over the next few years...

[RIHMFIRE]

I'm gonna have to get a part time job!
to pay for all the new stuff coming out!

[Leverdude]

Now you're talking! I wish Uberti would make both versions of the 1881 Marlin! A .45-70 and a .38-55 would be great for those who want a 1881, but can't afford the originals.

Wasn't the Colt pretty much a scaled sown 1881?

[marlinman93]

From what I've seen, they seemed to share enough in common that I'm suprised Marlin didn't sue Colt back then!
I hope they offer this new Burgess clone in a blued receiver like the original Burgess was! That chemical striped case color looks hideous to me! Looks like they tried to copy old Stevens case, but at an angle. Just doesn't look like a real Burgess with their nicely rust blued finish.

[KWK]

The Colt Burgess shares some of the innards with that other (in)famous piece, the Lightning rifle.

Please tell me more. I have read the Colt Burgess had reliability problems. My belongings arrive tomorrow, so that book may resurface soon on my new bookshelves, but I recall the author didn't mention what exactly were the problems. Uberti has been willing to tinker a bit with the older designs, and hopefully they will make some adjustments to this one.

From what I've seen, they seemed to share enough in common that I'm suprised Marlin didn't sue Colt back then!

Perhaps Marlin hadn't purchased exclusive rights to Burgess's patent. I believe he patented it before there was a business relationship with Marlin.

[RIHMFIRE]

I just got a flyer from Taylors & Company
and the Burgess lever action rifle is on the cover
It will come in a rifle and carbine configuration
Both the rifle and Carbine will come in 45LC with 20 and 25 1/2" octagon barrel
Dealer cost will be 1100 smackers

they are also coming out with the 86 as discussed earlier
Rifle will come out in 45-70 and 444 marlin with 26" octagon barrels
Carbine...same cartridges but with 22" round barrel
They are also coming out with a new 73 Comanchero rifle
designed by Cody Conager in 45lc, 357, straight and pistol grip
Each one comes with a leather butt stock cover and leather lever wrap..

[Killer Kanuck]

These pictures were posted on the CASCity forums a couple days ago:
http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/Burgess1.jpg

http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/Burgess2.jpg

http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/Burgess3.jpg

I just linked them because they're BIG.

[J Miller]

Now, that lil rifle is PURTY.

I think I want one.

Joe

[SharpsShooter]

Now, that lil rifle is PURTY.

I think I want one.

Joe

Uh yeah, me too.

SS

[Killer Kanuck]

Anyone happen to know if the Colt Burgess had the same issues with the forestock cracking as the Marlin 1881 had?

[marlinman93]

Anyone happen to know if the Colt Burgess had the same issues with the forestock cracking as the Marlin 1881 had?

Yep, same sliding Burgess magazine gate, and same issue with cracked forearms. But just like the 1881 Marlin, it probably wont happen in our lifetimes. I'm pretty sure 1881's didn't crack for generations of use.

[KWK]

I was able to dig out the book I have (by one S. Maxwell) which covers the guns based on Burgess's patents. These include the 1881 Marlin and the Colt, Kennedy, and Whitney leverguns.

He didn't comment favorably on the Colt, which uses the same basic lock up of the 1881 Marlin. He notes it was prone to gathering debris in the ejection port, and it lacked a trigger safety which prevented firing before the action was locked (a feature introduced on the 73 Win.). It was more prone to jamming and to internal breakages than its competitors, but he didn't indicate if this was a night and day difference. He also said it was difficult to field strip.

Some of these will be inherent in the design, but hopefully Uberti will have tweaked the internals a bit to improve feeding and the strength of internal parts.