OT-Green Mtn barrel swap system, experiences?

[awp101]

I've been offered a .45 T/C Hawken (IIRC) with some pitting in the bore. The only reason I've been mulling it over is becuase I found Green Mountain has an Interchangeable Barrel System (IIRC) and what I'd really like are a .32 and .36 to play with.

Has anyone used the GM IBS before? Likes or dislikes?

Thanks!

[Hobie]

Green Mountain used to have a wonderful reputation. Barrel swap is simple with the hook breach and there should be few if any problems on the TC Hawken.

[awp101]

Thanks Hobie! I figured it would be simple after looking at the GM site last night.

I searched over on the Traditional Muzzleloading forum but found very little on the system other than some barrels were shipped with metric nipples in standard thread barrels as I undertstand.

[3leggedturtle]

I have a T/C hawken in 45cal. The bore would make a sewer pipe proud!! It will still put 45REAL 200gr in 3" at 44 yards. Standing up and leaning against a tree for a rest. Also my REAL's were cast outta wheelweights and lubed with Lee LLA. I even wrapped .44cal full wadcuters in thick cloth. They shot into 4-6inches. Think i used 65-70 grains of FFFg cuz the absolute longest shot would have been 70yards. Roundballs also shot well enough to clunk squirrels in the treetops.

[awp101]

Hmmm, I may have to jump on this then...thanks!

[awp101]

Off the top of their head, does anyone know the difference between the Hawken, Renegade and Seneca from TC?

[Doc Hudson]

Cosmetics mainly, I believe.
The Hawken has a brass patchbox in the stock,a brass buttplate, a shiny brass trigger guard, and I believe brass thimbles for the ramrod and a brass nosecap for the forearm.

The Renegade has a blued steel trigger guard, blued thimbles, no patchbox at all, a blued steel butplate, and no nose cap on the forearm.

You might say that the Hawken is the Rendezvous Rifle and the Renegade is the working rifle.

I don't know about the Seneca so I can't give any info.

[salvo]

I have a Green Mtn barrel in my .54 cal Hawkin. I went with the round ball barrel, I think it was a 1:70 twist. Love that barrel, you would think a round ball would not be very accurate, but you would be wrong. I have harvested 8 Mule deer bucks with it, never had to track one of them further than maybe 25 yards.

[Hobie]

The Seneca is a New England style small bore rifle. Produced in .36 and .45 cal one could at one time get an extra barrel in the "other" cal from the custom shop as well as a .32. Later, to cut costs, TC produced the Cherokee which eliminated the patchbox, double-set trigger, and some barrel length. It was produced in .32, .36 and .45 (IIRC). I own a Seneca and have both .36 (the original) and .45 barrels. It is a great gun. NIB and fine condition guns are selling for $700+ when they can be found. Parts guns have gone for $300 or so on gunbroker.com. Mine as a .36 is my #1 squirrel rifle.

This isn't my rifle (I just discovered I don't have a photo!)

[awp101]

Thanks to all!

The one I was looking at is gone ( waited too long to commit ) but now I have an idea what to look for. I think I want a Hawken since I don't see the Seneca listed in the barrel options at GM (I want the .32, .36 and .45 ).

Thanks again!

[hfcable]

all the renegades have 1" barrels measured across the flats; hawkens come in two version 7/8" and 1" barrel slots. so be sure which you get before you order a spare barrel. the 7/8" came standard in 45 cal; you can even get a 7/8" .54 cal smooth bore interchangeable barrel. and in he 1" you can get up to .62 cal barrel rifled or smooth.
lots of choices. the .32 and.36 are available as 1" or 7/8".
good luck.

[awp101]

7/8" or 15/16"?

[awp101]

The Seneca is a New England style small bore rifle.

Which is different from a Hawken style how? Looks like I have a lot of research to do...

[homefront]

I have a Hawken in .54 cal., and I'm looking for something lighter. The good folks at the Traditional Muzzleloading Forum tell me the Seneca model is lighter to carry.
Here's my Hawken, which was butt ugly with a thick coat of some kind of varnish when I found it. It cleaned up nicely, and I'm glad I spent the $150 on it :

[hfcable]

7/8" or 15/16"?

you are correct sir it is 15/16" not 7/8

my senility is flaring up again, thanks!