OT--"School Of Hard Knocks"

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OT--"School Of Hard Knocks"

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Man, talk about disgusted. :evil: After buying well over a thousand rifles and handguns in my 54 years, (don't have a tenth of that amount :D ) you would think I would have learned something. I was really running my mouth on the "great deal" I got on this 1870's produced Remington Rolling Block in 43 Spanish. Oh boy, you should have heard me bragging to my buddies. "Nice wood"......."nice metal"......"all original".........BEAUTIFUL bore"...."100% mechanics".

After having it several weeks I decided to look at the barrel from the MUZZLE end, which I did not do when buying it. Look about 4 inches down from the crown in the pic. (not the shadow about 1" down)

I even spent several hours building a new higher front sight on the rifle and never noticed the ring.

Looks like a 40-65 or 45-70 barrel is coming my way. stupid.....stupid.....stupid...stupid Sixgun.

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DUDE she be ringed.
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Soooo......How's it shoot?
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Don't feel bad, I got nailed with a minty, but ringed Colt prewar .22 target revolver once... and a pre-64 Model 70 Featherweight with a thoroughly pitted bore... You can't see every single thing, every single time, although it sure helps to try!! :mrgreen:

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Same here. I had a Commando Carbine one time that had a visible bulge in the barrel. I, ummm bought it like that... what was I thinking?
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I did the same thing with a Winchester 1906 pump 22. Was in a hurry when I bought it, got it home and did not look at it for a few months. Went to clean the barrel and found there were two rings and the interior mag tube is bent. It was meant to be a project gun anyway, just not this much. BTW, I have been very unsuccessful in finding a barrel - but it does shoot OK.
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Not good :!: :!:
I got caught on a Smith 617 once, still shot ok though. Always hard to check everything I guess.
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I have heard of a ringed bore, but I don't know what causes it or what it does to shooting. :?
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Oh Man!
Hey if you are going to rebarrel have fun why not a 45-120. :D
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JReed wrote:Oh Man!
Hey if you are going to rebarrel have fun why not a 45-120. :D
Yea, I did think about something like that but soon realized it would be another financial headache for a 10 cent gun. I want to keep it simple with a caliber I am already playing with. I'm at around 60 different calibers now and frankly, I'm getting sick of the learning curve.

My buddy Craig Rittenhouse is going to reline the original barrel to 40-65 with a .410 groove diameter with a 1-20 twist.-----------------Sixgun
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Andrew wrote:I have heard of a ringed bore, but I don't know what causes it or what it does to shooting. :?
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A ring in the barrel is caused from an obstruction and then another round being fired into that obstruction. Depending on the power of the load and the obstruction determines how bad the barrel is ringed or blown up. With Blackpowder pressures, usually the fired bullet pushes out the first lodged bullet and bulges the barrel a bit and leaves a distinct "ring" where the lodged bullet was. I have had guns with rings and they usually continue to shoot OK. This is with guns that were previously 3" @ 100 yd accurate. With a benchrest gun, I'm sure the ring would destroy accuracy.-----------Sixgun
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Well that works. always heard 40-65 was a fun round. Let us know how it turns out.
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Man that BLOWS!

I was looking forward to hearing more about that new RB.

My dad and I bulged the barrel of my grandfather's little Win. 63.
We were out shooting it and a few others and while my dad was shooting
the sear broke and she went full auto! When we
took it apart to see what happened and fix it I noticed
a the barrel bulge. Man were we bummed.
Best we can figure is one round was either stuck or getting stuck
when the next one caught up to it.
We had the sear problem fixed but left the barrel as is.
Still seems to shoot as well as it had before. Still a bummer though, it was my
grandfather's favorite.

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That is one of the best photos of a ring I've ever seen. Just think of the educational value you've had with all of us! :wink:

I've got the same question Tycer does - before you go through any hassles, how does it shoot? You never know...
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Ahhh.... just shorten the whole thing about 6"
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I've seen a ringed gun before. 7 mag. It shot just fine with the ring out to 200 yards, it was about a 3-4 inch gun. Owner wanted better for longer shots... rebarreled it. But I'd shoot it before giving up so quick unless you need great accuracy. Often times we think we need more than we really do.

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How short is the tube now, If it is full length shortening it to 26" or so wouldn't hurt it any.
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Sixgun wrote:
JReed wrote:
My buddy Craig Rittenhouse is going to reline the original barrel to 40-65 with a .410 groove diameter with a 1-20 twist.-----------------Sixgun
What's that sort of thing run compared to a new barrel? (in general I mean)
I have a .45-90 that I kind of wish wasn't....
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I picked up my pre safety 1974 Marlin 1894 at a pawn shop in Alabama for $150, thought I got the deal of the century.

Got home cleaned the snot out of it and ran a tight patch through the bore. About 3" from the chamber it passed thru loose for almost 1.5"

Sure enough there was a ring in it, and 1.5" long one at that :o

A couple of weeks ago I was shooting at 150yds and easily managing 2.5" grps.

Now I guess since there was still about 15" worth of tight barrel, accuracy didn't suffer much, I just don't know what would happen with it close to the muzzle like yours.

Like someone else said though, if it doesn't shoot to your liking, you could always lop it back. But I'd definitely see how she did first.
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