"Crossfire Trail" Movie Question

[stew71]

The Mrs. went to bed a while ago so I decided to watch "Crossfire Trail", which showed up in the mail from Netflix. I've seen it a few times on TNT over the years, but it just occurred to me that I have no idea what type of rifle that was used by Brad Johnson's character Bo Dorn. It was some sort of large-caliber bolt action piece that loaded from a tube magazine.

Anyone?

And that Winny '76 was downright beautiful.

Great movie by the way. I think that any of Selleck's Westerns are right up there with the Duke's.

[airedaleman]

Believe it was a Remington Keene. Details elude me now but it was originally entered into Army trials circa 1880 in 45-70.
A sporting version was also made (the rifle in the movie is one, I believe.) I think that rifle has appeared in "Joe Kidd." and another Tom Selleck movie the title of which escapes (Tom Beringer was the bad guy).

[Hobie]

IIRC it is a Remington-Keene



Remington-Lee


The Remington-Keene and Remington-Lee are roughly contemporaries and show Remington's attempts to modernize even while they were producing the Rolling Block.

I've already been asked and WINCHESTER made the Lee straight-pull for the Navy.

[airedaleman]

IIRC it is a Remington-Keene



Remington-Lee


The Remington-Keene and Remington-Lee are roughly contemporaries and show Remington's attempts to modernize even while they were producing the Rolling Block.

I've already been asked and WINCHESTER made the Lee straight-pull for the Navy.

[airedaleman]

Think I fouled up my reply with Hobie's pictures. They are fine examples of each. Are they yours, Hobie?

[Doc Hudson]

The Remington Keene was also featured in John Wayne's "The Sons of Kate Elder." The badguy-gunsmith used it. IIRC it was show at one point while he was sighting it in and again in the ambush on the wagons taking the Elder Boys to jail.

I don't remember the Remington Keene in "Joe Kid" but I do remember the big shot owning and showing off a really nice engraved and scoped Savage M-99 (or perhaps it was or was supposed to be aq Model 1895). But it has been a long time since I watched "Joe Kidd."

[Hobie]

Think I fouled up my reply with Hobie's pictures. They are fine examples of each. Are they yours, Hobie?

No they are NOT mine... but thanks for having that thought! http://www.19thcenturyweapons.com

[Hobie]

Doc,

The Remington-Keene in Joe Kidd is in the scene where the henchman fired on the group (as they headed to town) from the faaaar-awaaaaay rock ledge. Joe shows he not only good with a broomhandle but also with the long-range counter-sniper fire! Honestly, the first time I saw the movie I was more interested in the young lady.

[marlinman93]

Mongo had the Rem. Keene in Joe Kidd.

[winter1857]

I have Crossfire Trail on DVD and I think that it's a great movie. Selleck's '76 is a dream rifle of mine....

I always thought it was interesting that Bo Dorn rubbed the round alongside his nose right before he loaded the rifle when he shot the kid picking berries. It was a quirky little detail that rang true with me.

People are strange and unique but the movies usually treat them as cardboard cutouts that we've all seen a thousand times.

[RIHMFIRE]

I am watching Crossfire Trail
and the cartridge doesn't look big enough for 45-70
so i found the follow....

An interesting old rifle, the Keene, manufactured from 1880 through 1888, was Remington's first commercial-production bolt-action rifle. Not many Remington-Keenes were made; the total quantity of weapons produced is estimated to be about 5,000. This was a unique design. The Keene had an external, manually cocked hammer and, like other contemporary lever-action rifles, it sported a tubular magazine mounted under the barrel. The Keene magazine shows a strong U.S. military influence. It was equipped with a manual cut-off device to allow the rifle to be used as a single shot if the shooter desired. As the bolt is closed, the Keene's hammer is automatically placed into the half-cock position from where it must be manually pulled back into the cocked position before the rifle can be fired. Once the hammer is in the half-cock position, the bolt remains locked closed.

Remington offered the Keene models in a sporting-rifle version called the Hunter's Rifle with a 24-1/2-inch round barrel. Half-round/half octagon barrels were available on special order, while carbines were made with 20- to 22-inch round barrels. (in the movie)
A special Navy Model rifle used a 29-1/4inch barrel, while the Army Model rifle sported a typically long 32-1/2-inch round barrel. Both military versions were stocked almost to the muzzle. The U.S. Army models were purchased for trials in 1881, but the Army purchased no Remington-Keenes after this. A run of 250 Navy Model rifles were procured by the U.S. Navy, then issued to the Marine Corps for field tests. To my knowledge, no further orders came out of the Navy/ Marine Corps tests.

Remington also made a so-called Frontier Model sporting a 24-inch round barrel for the U.S. Department of the Interior around 1881 to 1882. It's estimated that upwards of 800 of these were purchased by the department, then issued to Indian Police.

The Remington-Keene is one of those great, over-built, early bolt-actions, and as you might have guessed, it was available in .45-70 caliber Government (the largest quantity produced), .40 caliber, and in .43 caliber. Remington supplied the rifles with a standard blue finish along with a case-hardened hammer and rear band. Straight-grip walnut stocks were standard, while pistol-grip stocks, checkering, and extra-fancy grades of walnut stocks were also optional.

This is one of my favorite movies....
BTW.....I'd take the 76 first....then the Rem...

Wilford Bremley just shot at Brad Johnson
Let the shoot-out begin

[arjunky]

I am watching Crossfire Trail
and the cartridge doesn't look big enough for 45-70
so i found the follow....

An interesting old rifle, the Keene, manufactured from 1880 through 1888, was Remington's first commercial-production bolt-action rifle. Not many Remington-Keenes were made; the total quantity of weapons produced is estimated to be about 5,000. This was a unique design. The Keene had an external, manually cocked hammer and, like other contemporary lever-action rifles, it sported a tubular magazine mounted under the barrel. The Keene magazine shows a strong U.S. military influence. It was equipped with a manual cut-off device to allow the rifle to be used as a single shot if the shooter desired. As the bolt is closed, the Keene's hammer is automatically placed into the half-cock position from where it must be manually pulled back into the cocked position before the rifle can be fired. Once the hammer is in the half-cock position, the bolt remains locked closed.

Remington offered the Keene models in a sporting-rifle version called the Hunter's Rifle with a 24-1/2-inch round barrel. Half-round/half octagon barrels were available on special order, while carbines were made with 20- to 22-inch round barrels. (in the movie)
A special Navy Model rifle used a 29-1/4inch barrel, while the Army Model rifle sported a typically long 32-1/2-inch round barrel. Both military versions were stocked almost to the muzzle. The U.S. Army models were purchased for trials in 1881, but the Army purchased no Remington-Keenes after this. A run of 250 Navy Model rifles were procured by the U.S. Navy, then issued to the Marine Corps for field tests. To my knowledge, no further orders came out of the Navy/ Marine Corps tests.

Remington also made a so-called Frontier Model sporting a 24-inch round barrel for the U.S. Department of the Interior around 1881 to 1882. It's estimated that upwards of 800 of these were purchased by the department, then issued to Indian Police.

The Remington-Keene is one of those great, over-built, early bolt-actions, and as you might have guessed, it was available in .45-70 caliber Government (the largest quantity produced), .40 caliber, and in .43 caliber. Remington supplied the rifles with a standard blue finish along with a case-hardened hammer and rear band. Straight-grip walnut stocks were standard, while pistol-grip stocks, checkering, and extra-fancy grades of walnut stocks were also optional.

This is one of my favorite movies....
BTW.....I'd take the 76 first....then the Rem...

Wilford Bremley just shot at Brad Johnson
Let the shoot-out begin

You're right, I remember the cartridge more along the lines of a 45 colt than a 45-70.

Byron