Hog vital zone?
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Hog vital zone?
I remember seeing a drawing of a hogs vital area some time ago. I think it was something someone posted on the old Leverguns but a quick Google didn't turn up anything. Anybody remember that, or where I can find something similar?
Try this site and scroll down a bit.
http://www.jesseshunting.com/site/hog.html
Do not take frontal shots at wild pigs. On a broadside shot put the bullet just above the "elbow" of the front leg when the pig is dead broadside. A hog can survive on one lung, so it's important to get both lungs. I don't suggest a quartering shot unless you can hit far enough forward to catch both lungs, or another vital organ.
Also, keep in mind that a hog only bleeds "like a stuck pig" when you have a low wound, you really need to cause some pretty severe hemmorhage to get a good bloodtrail from a hog. Their thick hide, subcutaneous body fat and remarkably fast clotting times really do prevent much external blood loss by these animals.
http://www.jesseshunting.com/site/hog.html
Do not take frontal shots at wild pigs. On a broadside shot put the bullet just above the "elbow" of the front leg when the pig is dead broadside. A hog can survive on one lung, so it's important to get both lungs. I don't suggest a quartering shot unless you can hit far enough forward to catch both lungs, or another vital organ.
Also, keep in mind that a hog only bleeds "like a stuck pig" when you have a low wound, you really need to cause some pretty severe hemmorhage to get a good bloodtrail from a hog. Their thick hide, subcutaneous body fat and remarkably fast clotting times really do prevent much external blood loss by these animals.
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NonPCnraRN
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I saw a diagram of a hog's vitals but can't remember where. The advice was to shoot through the shoulder, not behind it. On a deer the vitals are behind the front shoulder, on a hog the vitals are between the shoulders. This is for a picture perfect broadside shot. If the hog was at an angle you would have to adjust as necessary. Never mind I found the site:
http://www.jesseshunting.com/site/calhog.html#biology
Scroll down till you see the diagram. Or you can read all the info preceding the diagram. Good source of info.
http://www.jesseshunting.com/site/calhog.html#biology
Scroll down till you see the diagram. Or you can read all the info preceding the diagram. Good source of info.
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Read something a while back that suggested that any boar should be shot behind the ear. Reason being that the build up of mud and hair will be like armor plate on the sides, reducing the amount of penetration, or cause a bullet to bounce off. A 22RF will easily kill a boar if placed in the ear head bone hole. Then again that applies to any game, but can mess up a trophy it it exits. Some of you boar hunters could expound on the truth of what I read.
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paulyseggs
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That hog is an exobitionist... I think I got the image from Ganjiro, certainly he knows hog anatomy...WCF3030 wrote:Exoskeleton.Andrew wrote:Holy cow Hobie! Where did you find that pig?
That's got to be some kinda genetic anomaly.
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Hobie
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CaptainFinn
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Hogs
Awesome pic, Hobie ! I'm printing a copy to give to my stepson as a reference.
When I lived down Florida way, I hunted a score of pigs over a two-year period. Just above/behind the 'eblow' is a valid aiming point to clock them in the old ticke, but a head shot soon became my shot of choice. Aim halway betweent he eye and the ear canal. Most of the time I was either using an old style Ruger .44 carbine with 240 gr XTP's, or one of my Rossi .45's with a hard-cast 300-gr SWC-GC. Head shots put them down nice and quick. I had one of the 'heart shots' run about 40 feet, and another one dropped on the spot.
My hunting buddies all had .30-06's except for a pair of CAS shooters, one used a Ruger Blackhawk .45 with 300-gr SWC's, and the other guy had a Marlin 1895 with 400-ish hardcast loads.
The gent with the Blackhawk hit a 280-lb sow with four shots, all in the center-of-mass, and chased the piggie into a canal, where she drowned. A soaking-wet 280-lbs sow is not fun to get out of a 5' deep canal !
The guy with the Marlin nailed his 240-lb hog through the shoulders. The pig flopped on his side, scooted around in a circle like Curly from the Three Stooges and then flopped over on his backside, kicked a few times, and died.
So I guess the moral is, shot placement is the key.
P.S. Hobie, where'd ya get that pic ? Any chance of a similar one for deer ?
When I lived down Florida way, I hunted a score of pigs over a two-year period. Just above/behind the 'eblow' is a valid aiming point to clock them in the old ticke, but a head shot soon became my shot of choice. Aim halway betweent he eye and the ear canal. Most of the time I was either using an old style Ruger .44 carbine with 240 gr XTP's, or one of my Rossi .45's with a hard-cast 300-gr SWC-GC. Head shots put them down nice and quick. I had one of the 'heart shots' run about 40 feet, and another one dropped on the spot.
My hunting buddies all had .30-06's except for a pair of CAS shooters, one used a Ruger Blackhawk .45 with 300-gr SWC's, and the other guy had a Marlin 1895 with 400-ish hardcast loads.
The gent with the Blackhawk hit a 280-lb sow with four shots, all in the center-of-mass, and chased the piggie into a canal, where she drowned. A soaking-wet 280-lbs sow is not fun to get out of a 5' deep canal !
The guy with the Marlin nailed his 240-lb hog through the shoulders. The pig flopped on his side, scooted around in a circle like Curly from the Three Stooges and then flopped over on his backside, kicked a few times, and died.
So I guess the moral is, shot placement is the key.
P.S. Hobie, where'd ya get that pic ? Any chance of a similar one for deer ?
I have currently shot 99 pigs between feral hogs and boar. Hope to make the 100 mark this year!
I tell customers to aim right in line with the front leg, about 1/3 up the body. Also, if the pig turns its head there will be a distint line formed by the wrinkle. Just behind the line is a great shot.
Personally I have shot them every which way with all kind of guns. If you use enough gun and excellent bullets you can take 'em down with frontal shots, rear end shots, etc. Being familiar with the anatomy first, (and we all are thanks to Hobies picture of the pigs vitals) and knowing your cartridge capability is key.
At our TX place I have often startled a pig out of its bed and caused it to run away from me. On several occassions I have put the sights on the fleeing pig and knocked 'em down. I am always carrying the 45-70 with 405gr Kodiak bullets which walking around the ranch. That combo, as CRS witnessed, easily gets to a pigs vitals with a rear shot. Be prepared and willing to put another fast shot in to keep the pig there if necessary.
So far never had one run from a broadside shoulder or neck shot or a close range frontal or rear shot.
Here's a 405gr Kodiak that went over 3 feet from rear to front in a hog and lodged under the jawbone:
For stand hunting hogs at ranges I know to be 75 yards or less I use a 45Colt 300gr hardcast running around 1400 fps out of my 20" barrel. So far it has passed through pigs up to 200 lbs on broadside shots. I also will take the head or neck shot from a blind with time on my side. With the exception of the head shots the pig usually do run - up to 50 yards sometimes.
Here are some taken with the 45 Colt:
This one recently taken by customer:
I tell customers to aim right in line with the front leg, about 1/3 up the body. Also, if the pig turns its head there will be a distint line formed by the wrinkle. Just behind the line is a great shot.
Personally I have shot them every which way with all kind of guns. If you use enough gun and excellent bullets you can take 'em down with frontal shots, rear end shots, etc. Being familiar with the anatomy first, (and we all are thanks to Hobies picture of the pigs vitals) and knowing your cartridge capability is key.
At our TX place I have often startled a pig out of its bed and caused it to run away from me. On several occassions I have put the sights on the fleeing pig and knocked 'em down. I am always carrying the 45-70 with 405gr Kodiak bullets which walking around the ranch. That combo, as CRS witnessed, easily gets to a pigs vitals with a rear shot. Be prepared and willing to put another fast shot in to keep the pig there if necessary.
So far never had one run from a broadside shoulder or neck shot or a close range frontal or rear shot.
Here's a 405gr Kodiak that went over 3 feet from rear to front in a hog and lodged under the jawbone:
For stand hunting hogs at ranges I know to be 75 yards or less I use a 45Colt 300gr hardcast running around 1400 fps out of my 20" barrel. So far it has passed through pigs up to 200 lbs on broadside shots. I also will take the head or neck shot from a blind with time on my side. With the exception of the head shots the pig usually do run - up to 50 yards sometimes.
Here are some taken with the 45 Colt:
This one recently taken by customer:
hog vitals
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I second Rimrock. The size of the chest is about the same size of the upper neck. Upper neck shot = No tracking, does not molest your meat (ribs, shoulder or backstraps), and virtually any caliber will anchor the hog.
Having said that, I do aim for a heart or lungs when i need to reinforce the blood tracking for my Drahthaars.
just my 2 cents.
JV
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I second Rimrock. The size of the chest is about the same size of the upper neck. Upper neck shot = No tracking, does not molest your meat (ribs, shoulder or backstraps), and virtually any caliber will anchor the hog.
Having said that, I do aim for a heart or lungs when i need to reinforce the blood tracking for my Drahthaars.
just my 2 cents.
JV
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Ridgerunner
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Les:
I'm saying that if you know your bullet has the integrity to penetrate enough at a given range it can be done. I've done it a number of times. I am also very willing to shoot again, and again if necessary without regard to damaging the hide or meat.
The feral hogs are considered pests, a nuisance if you will. Personally I have great respect for them and I like having them around. However, they have to been kept to a managable number. If some meat gets ruined I'm not too worried about it, the vultures get whatever we don't butcher so its getting recycled.
With any animal, it is important to know the ability of your equipment and to be at ease with the overall importance of your trophy. If you want a specimen for taxidermy or if you intend on eating every bit there are other options to kill the animal with as little damage as possible.
I'm saying that if you know your bullet has the integrity to penetrate enough at a given range it can be done. I've done it a number of times. I am also very willing to shoot again, and again if necessary without regard to damaging the hide or meat.
The feral hogs are considered pests, a nuisance if you will. Personally I have great respect for them and I like having them around. However, they have to been kept to a managable number. If some meat gets ruined I'm not too worried about it, the vultures get whatever we don't butcher so its getting recycled.
With any animal, it is important to know the ability of your equipment and to be at ease with the overall importance of your trophy. If you want a specimen for taxidermy or if you intend on eating every bit there are other options to kill the animal with as little damage as possible.
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the pig picture Hobie provided makes a great target !!
http://www.hunt101.com/img/312841.jpg
Cheers,
Carl
http://www.hunt101.com/img/312841.jpg
Cheers,
Carl