grizzJi in Hawaii wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:56 pmYour pram looks like a Harold "Dynamite" Payson design, one of his "stich & glue, instant boat" designs.Grizz wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:50 amback to canoe culture and other floaty stuff :>
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my younger son and I did the layout and parts cutting a long time ago while he was still at home. we used materials left over from my fishing business. it's an enlargement from a famous design. I converted the offsets to metric and applied a scale factor to all of them. Do you recognize it?
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I use grommets for rowing. Not as nice as oarlocks when coming along side, But, nothing to hang up in a rolley anchorage. It is effortless to maintain 3mph, which is kayak speed over time. Huge load carrier. Very tiddly when light and I don't let inexperienced boaters take it out without great flotation gear. This skiff will float upside down on the tanks no problem. I've left him anchored out in weather to test this. Eventually there should be a sail rig, a rowing thwart, [fore n aft], and perhaps a double bottom so I don't ever have to bail it. sitting on the bottom next to the aft tank is a fine location to sail from. There is a motor mount so I can move Ariel around, change anchor location, overhaul anchor gear etc. BUT this is not a motor boat and he needs weight to make his motoring antics controllable. I think I might be able to do a back flip, but don't want to.
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I had planned to sail Ariel to Japan until she decided to relocate herself when her mooring failed.
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Therefore, I prize shallow draft and sailing stability, even though, as Folkboats go, Ariel is a very strong boat built when builders wanted enough material for STOUTness.
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Ji, do you have any more photos of your boat? Would like to see some. Also you asked about powering the cat. I didn't mention that I decided not use the traditional make n break with the slick beaching setup. It's too much trouble, too much drag, and can't carry enough fuel to make motor-sailing feasible unless coastal hopping between gas docks. Even Ariel is a lousy motorsailer. .. . .. . . ...
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> Good eye Ji. it's a Bolger design called 'Nymph' and Payson did sell plans for it. I got the offsets from one of Bolger's books I think. Started at 8' long, mine is exactly 10' with so much rocker that he rows equally well either direction.
I don't recall ever hearing about "Ariel". Is her hull wood/glass or full fiberglass? Is her hull damage from grounding beyond repair?
> Full heavy fiberglass construction. The hull didn't get a scratch. My 20T house lifting jack wouldn't budge her, but no hull deflection from trying. She came up easy and I kedged her off. She sometimes sees 75kt wind down the long fetch of the bay, 20 to 40 not unusual.
I bought Ariel in 2017 for a trip to Alaska. She was sitting in Arlington, OR for 20 years or so, up the Columbia River. I bought the engine and the boat was thrown in for free, and spent weeks getting the boat ready and provisioned for the trip. did not get the sail rig functional, but had use of jib. running rigging had rotted and jammed the blocks with the bits that flapped around. Cruised down Columbia at what amounted to flood runoff stage, the locks were spilling near max volume, and little Ariel got herself out of some 'interesting' situations. Eventually crossed the Columbia bar and coasted up to Cape Flattery and into Straight of Juan deFuca. Took a break and then started Northward thru the Salish Sea to Nanaimo for customs entry to Canada. Scratched the trip there faced with endless westerlies. Little sailboats don't do well faced with long haul westerlies. I missed the bus. Motor-sailed home and anchored up. With a fully functional sail rig she could have sailed NW to about lat of Kodiak, and turned across to enter Cross Sound. But I didn't have time for that, family coming to meet there.
https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/ariel-26-pearson
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My only consistent "dreamboat" is my wife of 42 years, but as far as watercrafts I have had many, but one that has stuck in my heart is pictured below,
a Pacific Seacrafts 20ʻ "Flicka" preferably with a gaff rig (not a fan of Marconi rigs aesthetically), though a Chinese lug rig would be ideal. she could easily do interisland trips, no problemo, or a final horizon trip west towards sunset.
> Good one. That's a world wandering design, famous among cruiser folk.
What boat photos did you have in mind? One recent (March 2019) purchase is also pictured below. As you may know I love to dive, and fish offshore, so I purchased what turned out to be ideal for my needs, a 14ʻ6 Solo Skiff which is basically a wide (41") hull, square sterned power kayak. With a 6hp outboard she can do 12 knots all day trolling for pelagics on 3 gallons of fuel, she has considerable watertight in-hull storage, she has an open stern which allows any water coming over the bow to flow straight out the stern, so no bailing, and she has a low freeboard which make ingress/egress when diving a piece of cake. I have had her out in 12ʻ seas, 20 knot winds, with her hull submerged half the time with hardly a worry.
>Thanks for this. This is an amazing vessel. Great solution for your needs.
One weak point of my dory has always been taking in water over the gunwales when climbing back in after a dive.
> You know of course that this is considered a main asset when fishing from dorys. A 300 pound halibut slides right in with no lifting.
Keep us posted on the progress of your dory/cat build.
> Won't be much news in that department. Fall finally arrives Friday with wind and rain for the weekend. First actual rain storm since June. Today is my last commute to the boat to repair the anchor roller and set up for the winter. The Aeolus is in the shop for new transom, that can proceed once I am weathered out of the out doors.
Thanks for the feed-back Ji
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