This morning I finally got a chance to enjoy some range time. I wanted to replicate the Winchester Model of 1866 44 Henry 300 yard shots but using th e Uberti Winchester 73'.
nothing is ever the same....
The 44 Henry was reported to be a 200gr lead bullet at 1,125fps. My loads were full 44-40 214gr 1,350fps loads using Reloder 7. So technically I didn't replicate anything but maybe the Groups...was still fun!!
Winchester 66' should be about 12" x 10", 30 hit Groups
Replicating Winchester's 1866 Switzerland Trials 300 Yard Shots
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Replicating Winchester's 1866 Switzerland Trials 300 Yard Shots
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Hey, good shooting Bryan. Look at the best 32
, and the B.C. of a 44 every round would have to be loaded to the exact same muzzle velocities to do much better!
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Thanks, I need to find someone that knows how to shoot to try it. I bet they could do better!!!
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Admire your diligent efforts with the .44 WCF, Bryan. Thanks for posting here.
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Thanks Bill
I tried my luck at Gimp, this was kind of neat!!
I tried my luck at Gimp, this was kind of neat!!
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I learned how to do an overlay on Gimp
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Re: Replicating Winchester's 1866 Switzerland Trials 300 Yard Shots
The Battle of Königgrätz
Say what? During the time between 14 June and 22 July 1866, the Prussians fought the Austrians. These battles were well observed by the Swiss. It was here that the Swiss decided that they were in need of modern breech-loading weapons.
The Swiss made a Decree that they would find and arm their sharpshooters and Army with breech-loading rifles on 20 July 1866.
During the 6th and 8th days of October, Winchester had already shipped the Model of 1866 to Switzerland for the Swiss Trials. On these two days the aforementioned targets were made.
On the 12th of October the Swiss government proposed an order for 8,000 repeaters for their best outfits but soon changed the proposal to between 90,000 and 110,000 repeaters to arm all of their soldiers. A condition to the contract would be that Winchester would also provide all of the tooling necessary for the 66's to be manufactured in Switzerland. Winchester could not or would not agree and offered some sort of counteroffer with the Henry rifle. The deal fell quiet and eventually Winchester backed off. I am unsure of the details.
The Report To The Commission For The Introduction Of The Breech-Loading Arms was dated Oct 1866 and published in Winchester's 1873 catalog. The information I posted above is not included in the report. The report talks about the Winchester Rifle - A. The Trajectory, B. The Precision and C. The Rapidity of Fire.
Now you know the rest of the story.
https://sites.google.com/view/44winches ... and-trials
Say what? During the time between 14 June and 22 July 1866, the Prussians fought the Austrians. These battles were well observed by the Swiss. It was here that the Swiss decided that they were in need of modern breech-loading weapons.
The Swiss made a Decree that they would find and arm their sharpshooters and Army with breech-loading rifles on 20 July 1866.
During the 6th and 8th days of October, Winchester had already shipped the Model of 1866 to Switzerland for the Swiss Trials. On these two days the aforementioned targets were made.
On the 12th of October the Swiss government proposed an order for 8,000 repeaters for their best outfits but soon changed the proposal to between 90,000 and 110,000 repeaters to arm all of their soldiers. A condition to the contract would be that Winchester would also provide all of the tooling necessary for the 66's to be manufactured in Switzerland. Winchester could not or would not agree and offered some sort of counteroffer with the Henry rifle. The deal fell quiet and eventually Winchester backed off. I am unsure of the details.
The Report To The Commission For The Introduction Of The Breech-Loading Arms was dated Oct 1866 and published in Winchester's 1873 catalog. The information I posted above is not included in the report. The report talks about the Winchester Rifle - A. The Trajectory, B. The Precision and C. The Rapidity of Fire.
Now you know the rest of the story.
https://sites.google.com/view/44winches ... and-trials
Re: Replicating Winchester's 1866 Switzerland Trials 300 Yard Shots
Thanks Bryan, good history! The great arms race? Involved Lotta Weapons, of all kinds. But the race for the best individual battle rifle, I believe the most, and most important!
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life"
"Better drawdown Alvin!"
"If you gotta shoot, shoot don't talk"
Conservative since day one and until the last!
"Better drawdown Alvin!"
"If you gotta shoot, shoot don't talk"
Conservative since day one and until the last!