What We Currently Have Is Probably All We'll Get

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 2:36 pm

If you're not stocked up to your ears on reloading components, you just might be out of luck.
Suddenly, Powder Burn Rate Charts will be important, as well as understanding how to safely explore new loads with different bullet weights.
While not a great idea, understanding primer interchangeability will be useful, as well, and how to safely explore beginning loads ..
Don't blow yourself up, but, don't run out either.

Give serious thought to getting a few Air/CO2 rifles/handguns to plink with instead of wasting your precious ammo.
Times, they are a changin'. Personally, I started preparing in 2008.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:19 pm

GOOD ADVICE.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:30 pm

someone has succeded in reloading primers, but to the point, perhaps airgun pellets could be stocked. idk

rossim92 · Post by **rossim92** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:44 pm

i recalled seeing something out there on a co2 rifle that shoots .45 calber bullets.. the buttstock is the cylinder, suppose to be the nastiest air rifle you can get factory .

Scott Tschirhart · Post by **Scott Tschirhart** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:45 pm

I'm not hurting for components, but I wonder what makes you think that what we have is all we will get?

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:49 pm

Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:45 pm I'm not hurting for components, but I wonder what makes you think that what we have is all we will get?

Having been through a couple or more socialist gun bans I know how quick things you take for granted can disappear.
The UK is currently banning certain obsolete caliber weapons just in case the local criminals learn to reload ammo.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 5:52 pm

Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:45 pm I'm not hurting for components, but I wonder what makes you think that what we have is all we will get?

For now, you are isolated from "some" of the impact.
Other parts of the country will not be so lucky.
Where there's a will, there's a way. There has always been and always will be a black market. Criminals have always been, and always will continue to get whatever they want.
I hope I'm wrong.

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:37 pm

If things turn really ugly I follow the quote from We were soldiers once and young.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DUFAZcKL3k

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:06 pm

I’ve got enough to keep me going for close to 10 years . In ten years they may have confiscated everything anyway . Of course at that point I’ll be dead from having fired upon those bringing siege on my house .

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Mon Jan 11, 2021 7:39 pm

Scott, for one thing, its truly very nice to have you back here again. Funny how so many of us leave but eventually come back full circle and want to participate now. This is truly one of the best of internet forums available, especially for us levergun guys. I was going to post a series of articles I just found on this subject after doing a cursory search, but I found this one that is probably the most recent and thought it gives the best update. Obviously Biden has declared war on the NRA, and normally he's a complete idiot, "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing", but now he may have some authority to do what he wants. Scary stuff.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... ill-it-end

I have a few thousand primers of each, plenty of powder, and I think enough cases, but I don't have nearly that many bullets. That is going to be a potential problem for me in the future although I'm buying what I can. I paid about $150 for boxes of 1000 small and large rifle primers back in November. Just saw a box of 1000 WSR primers sell for $255 the other day just to monitor prices on Gunbroker. Shocked me. Also many less products available to purchase especially primers.

Blaine, his "Tuba-ness" is right, availability will vary from state to state. From what I have read, availability of primers is going to go to first to ammo manufacturers to make fully loaded ammo, and not us handloaders.

This is quite the reverse in my limited experience, where loaded ammo became scarce and expensive, but components were still available to us who reloaded. This situation is different it seems to me.

I did get into airguns last year and spent a fortune on one of them in 45 caliber and much less on another one in 30 caliber, a beautiful Hatsan break-barrel in Turkish walnut that shoots 50 grain and heavier pellets. Put a red dot on the latter with co-witness on its iron sights. The 45 caliber is a "pre-charged pneumatic" Sam Yang, needed a compressor and have added an air tank, need a valve. Bullets more accessible for now. A 200 grain pure lead hollow point, hollow base bullet, leaves the bore of my tuned Sam Yang Light Hunter at 800 fps after Will Piatt tuned it for me. He's probably the best Sam Yang tuner in the country. He takes dear with it every year, it offers the best compromise of velocity and flat shooting trajectory with a heavier bullet, and it can shoot arrows (cross-bolts?) too.

Put Dwight William's Multi-Zero Front Battle sight on it's front (DWBattlesight.com) Darn glad I did. I think he may be a Shootist. I am not sure. Shoots very well. It might save me using up my expensive handloading components until they are more available. Again, Blaine may be exactly right for some of us.

My friend Jim Williamson is also a Shootist and everytime I go to visit him, he teaches me a great deal. I learn so much every time.

He also attributes his shooting expertise and I can tell you, the guy can shoot and he's like 20 years older than me, can't see the front sights to well, and can out shoot almost any man I know. And he attributes that to not just "real" shooting, but his airgun shooting, which he really and truly thinks improved his shooting ability.

So Blaine's recommendation of using airguns, is probably a sound recommendation. And from Jim W. too. Just saying folks, hard times ahead.

Regards,

-Tutt

mickbr · Post by **mickbr** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:58 am

Good time to be into leverguns, pistol cartridges, subsonics and the ability to shoot 3000 small game with a lb of powder

. You guys abve are right. Im not sure whether supply will close forever. What I am sure of is the price of living increasing to the point we wont be just accumulating guns and burning off ammo for fun. Im predicting shortly it will more like our grandfolks era, guns were discharged for a purpose, not for luxury. I lived in 5-6 3rd world countries after the military, I have seen all manner of government bungle and the after effects. These lockdowns are far worse than losing half a million grandma's. In fact I'd rather lose 10% of the population than all the damage we have done to the economy and freedoms. This could slide us into the 2nd world and the issue with that is not even the money its the characters that spring up to keep you down.

Trailboss · Post by **Trailboss** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:41 am

As a kid growing up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I seldom had as many as 100 rounds of 22 ammo. Usually it was less than 50. Those were the best hunting days of my life. Now folks have thousands and are worried about running out. Weird...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:57 am

Trailboss wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:41 am As a kid growing up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I seldom had as many as 100 rounds of 22 ammo. Usually it was less than 50. Those were the best hunting days of my life. Now folks have thousands and are worried about running out. Weird...

No disrespect intended, but, hunting is not what I'm worried about.

Scott Tschirhart · Post by **Scott Tschirhart** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:36 am

Trailboss wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:41 am As a kid growing up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, I seldom had as many as 100 rounds of 22 ammo. Usually it was less than 50. Those were the best hunting days of my life. Now folks have thousands and are worried about running out. Weird...

This is exactly my point. When I was a kid, we were poor, not lower middle class, but poor. I never worried then and I don't think it is healthy for me to worry about it now.

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:19 pm

rossim92 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:44 pm i recalled seeing something out there on a co2 rifle that shoots .45 calber bullets.. the buttstock is the cylinder, suppose to be the nastiest air rifle you can get factory .

Nothing new there. Lewis & Clark had air rifles along on their expedition to map out the West. Girandoni air rifles were a big reason the L&C Expedition was a success! I've shot the one Mike Carrick has that is shown in this video. It is potent, and very accurate. But what many folks don't realize is it's a tube mag rifle that can continue shooting about 20 shots on one full pressurizing of the buttstock.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqFyKh ... armsMuseum

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:08 pm

MM93, I read Undaunted Courage years ago, but had quite honestly forgotten about the air rifle! What a great video, thank you! -Tutt

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:43 pm

marlinman93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:19 pm
rossim92 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:44 pm i recalled seeing something out there on a co2 rifle that shoots .45 calber bullets.. the buttstock is the cylinder, suppose to be the nastiest air rifle you can get factory .
Nothing new there. Lewis & Clark had air rifles along on their expedition to map out the West. Girandoni air rifles were a big reason the L&C Expedition was a success! I've shot the one Mike Carrick has that is shown in this video. It is potent, and very accurate. But what many folks don't realize is it's a tube mag rifle that can continue shooting about 20 shots on one full pressurizing of the buttstock.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqFyKh ... armsMuseum

Four of the guys that hang out at the shop have gotten big into air rifles lately two have 25 cals ones a 30 I think and the fourth guy has a 35 cal . I’m more intrested in the newest Ravin crossbow that’s supposed to do 500 FPS and cocks electrically only downfall is stupid crazy price of $3300-3700 depending on bells and whistles .

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:08 pm

CowboyTutt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:08 pm MM93, I read Undaunted Courage years ago, but had quite honestly forgotten about the air rifle! What a great video, thank you! -Tutt

Read "Sign Talker" by James Alexander Thom, for an even better and more entertaining tale of the expedition. It also features the importance of the famous air rifle. Best book on the expedition out of five or six I've read.

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:43 pm

Doc, just ordered last hard bound copy available to read on Amazon by James Alexander and by your recommendation. Sure it will be well worth it. More to airguns than people realize. Thanks Doc, -Tutt

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:27 pm

CowboyTutt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 7:43 pm Doc, just ordered last hard bound copy available to read on Amazon by James Alexander and by your recommendation. Sure it will be well worth it. More to airguns than people realize. Thanks Doc, -Tutt

YouTube is replete with video of pellet gun hunting. .177 on up in calibre. Gamo has a break action .177 and with the lightweight lead free pellets @ 1600fps, seems to be a death ray on the smaller pigs.
I have a rather nice Diana side lever .22 that does about 900 with lead, and much higher with the lightweights....

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:19 am

6pt-sika wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:43 pm
marlinman93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:19 pm
rossim92 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:44 pm i recalled seeing something out there on a co2 rifle that shoots .45 calber bullets.. the buttstock is the cylinder, suppose to be the nastiest air rifle you can get factory .
Nothing new there. Lewis & Clark had air rifles along on their expedition to map out the West. Girandoni air rifles were a big reason the L&C Expedition was a success! I've shot the one Mike Carrick has that is shown in this video. It is potent, and very accurate. But what many folks don't realize is it's a tube mag rifle that can continue shooting about 20 shots on one full pressurizing of the buttstock.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqFyKh ... armsMuseum
Four of the guys that hang out at the shop have gotten big into air rifles lately two have 25 cals ones a 30 I think and the fourth guy has a 35 cal . I’m more intrested in the newest Ravin crossbow that’s supposed to do 500 FPS and cocks electrically only downfall is stupid crazy price of $3300-3700 depending on bells and whistles .

Crossbows have zero interest for me since they aren't allowed for our bow season. You can hunt with them here, but have to do so during normal rifle season, so I'd rather use a rifle during rifle season.

rock-steady · Post by **rock-steady** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:27 pm

Check out the Umarex Air Saber.

The Umarex AirSaber uses high-pressure air to propel a 376-grain arrow at velocities up to 450 feet per second with a fully charged air tank. Arrows shot from a full tank reach energy levels over 169 ft-lbs. This is more than enough for hunting big game and is, in fact, legal in 10 states for deer and most states allow for predator/feral species hunting with devices of this kind.

https://www.umarexusa.com/umarex-airsab ... fle-airgun

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:58 pm

rock-steady wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:27 pm Check out the Umarex Air Saber.

The Umarex AirSaber uses high-pressure air to propel a 376-grain arrow at velocities up to 450 feet per second with a fully charged air tank. Arrows shot from a full tank reach energy levels over 169 ft-lbs. This is more than enough for hunting big game and is, in fact, legal in 10 states for deer and most states allow for predator/feral species hunting with devices of this kind.

https://www.umarexusa.com/umarex-airsab ... fle-airgun

I guess I always considered bow hunting a short range sort of sport.
If one is willing to put in the time, a simple compound bow of 45-50-ish pounds, string peep, and a few pins is scary accurate. I eventually had to limit my groups to two or three arrows lest I hit the other arrows I had already shot. With lighter arrows and a sturdy overdraw devise, the FPS should be more than enough for deer.

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:05 pm

Here's a review of the Hatsan 30 caliber I have. The pellets I'm using penetrated 12 inches in ballistic gelatin even at a meer 500 fps. I added a nice Vortex red dot sight that co-witnesses the factory fiber optic sights. The adjustable ambidextrous cheek piece is a really nice touch, I wish all rifles had it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f5GeApxPQc

Here's one of a factory stock 45 caliber Sam Yang Light Hunter. Mine is tuned for more power (200 grain HP at 800 fps) and has improved iron sights and a splendid trigger job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIlXRAGYywc

Both very nice real guns. -Tutt

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:14 pm

IF the " Ban it " brigade really gets rolling airguns and bow hunting won't be imune . Think I'm kidding..

My advice is to accumulate anything that you just might require in the future, don't expect your friendly sporting goods store to always be there, even a slow down in gun ownership can leave some businesses unable to trade.

Hopefully the"Ban it " brigade will be stopped WELL before they even start rolling.

Scott Tschirhart · Post by **Scott Tschirhart** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:14 pm

I still have my bows and arrows. I reckon I could learn to pull the string again.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:21 pm

Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:14 pm I still have my bows and arrows. I reckon I could learn to pull the string again.

I still have mine, good job they don't make noise, bow hunting here is illegal...

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:37 pm

I agree with Sixgun, and Gamekeeper’s comment about bowhunting being illegal there says it all.

Thinking that we can just keep the politically-correct firearms and somehow get by until the Gun Fairy comes along and restores freedom isn’t a good plan.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Wed Jan 13, 2021 10:42 pm

there are detailed plans for constructing a shotgun and an auto 9mm from hardware store stuff.

i think a 22Lr would be a fun project

I'm going to buy some hardware store stuff for my welding and forging projects. nice to be able to recycle the metals into ingots for storage. i guess

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:36 am

marlinman93 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 11:19 am
6pt-sika wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:43 pm
marlinman93 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:19 pm
rossim92 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 11, 2021 4:44 pm i recalled seeing something out there on a co2 rifle that shoots .45 calber bullets.. the buttstock is the cylinder, suppose to be the nastiest air rifle you can get factory .
Nothing new there. Lewis & Clark had air rifles along on their expedition to map out the West. Girandoni air rifles were a big reason the L&C Expedition was a success! I've shot the one Mike Carrick has that is shown in this video. It is potent, and very accurate. But what many folks don't realize is it's a tube mag rifle that can continue shooting about 20 shots on one full pressurizing of the buttstock.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pqFyKh ... armsMuseum
Four of the guys that hang out at the shop have gotten big into air rifles lately two have 25 cals ones a 30 I think and the fourth guy has a 35 cal . I’m more intrested in the newest Ravin crossbow that’s supposed to do 500 FPS and cocks electrically only downfall is stupid crazy price of $3300-3700 depending on bells and whistles .
Crossbows have zero interest for me since they aren't allowed for our bow season. You can hunt with them here, but have to do so during normal rifle season, so I'd rather use a rifle during rifle season.

I’m looking at this in regards to inability to get components down the road . I’ve already got a crossbow that’s right at 400 FPS , but the idea of 500 FPS intrests me .

marlinman93 · Post by **marlinman93** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:28 am

I hope at my current age I've got enough powder, primers, and lead to cast, and reload for the rest of my life.
I also have a Gamo Whisper air rifle I play with and have found it extremely accurate for a low buck air rifle. I bought it to practice with during winter, but it gets shot all year around as it's fun to shoot. Never be anything but a small game rifle, or just plinking fun, but it does save on .22 ammo.
I own an "antique" Martin compound bow that I've owned for 40 yrs. It's nothing like any of the newer compound bows, and I've never hunted with it. I bought it with hunting in mind, but as a "back up". Since we have stupid draw regulations for various hunting units, it was always a possibility we might not draw tags for the area we hunted. So the backup was to archery hunt different areas if we didn't draw our tags. But we only missed one year, and I didn't bow hunt either that year.
If things get bad enough I need to shoot pointy sticks instead of lead, I'll probably just quit.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 2:32 pm

If this gets as bad as some folks seem to think . I’m of a mind that I don’t care about legalities in what I use although a crossbow is perfectly legal in Virginia . Meaning if it gets that bad they need to catch me if I’m bending the rules .

Catshooter · Post by **Catshooter** » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:56 pm

Yeah Blaine, I think you're correct. I've been through about 5 of these shortages and it always takes a while to recover once the cause goes away. Of course this is the deepest shortage I've ever seen not having lived through WW II. The only outlet for primers now seems to be folks like us who decide to sell as the supply pipeline is empty. Ammo manufactures of course are getting them first and there just none left. Small rifle are going for more than $300 a thousand on Gunbroker now. What do you spose they'll be getting in four years? A buck a primer?

Yep, what we got is what we're gonna see for quite awhile. Six years, at least in my opinion.

Cat

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 2:22 am

Catshooter wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:56 pm Yeah Blaine, I think you're correct. I've been through about 5 of these shortages and it always takes a while to recover once the cause goes away. Of course this is the deepest shortage I've ever seen not having lived through WW II. The only outlet for primers now seems to be folks like us who decide to sell as the supply pipeline is empty. Ammo manufactures of course are getting them first and there just none left. Small rifle are going for more than $300 a thousand on Gunbroker now. What do you spose they'll be getting in four years? A buck a primer?

Yep, what we got is what we're gonna see for quite awhile. Six years, at least in my opinion.

Cat

If they get up to a buck a piece for all rifle pistol and shotgun I’ve got a large quantity that’ll hit the market . Then a bunch of powder will hit the market as well as a bunch of wads and bullets . To say nothing of the rifles shotguns and handguns I’ll turn loose .

shasta_steve · Post by **shasta_steve** » Fri Jan 15, 2021 3:22 am

I just paid $150 for a box (1000) of Federal large rifle primers. I hated to do it but I really wanted to play with some 45-70 loads. I am just getting back into reloading. Around here I do see some primers advertised for anywhere between $125 and $160 a box. Not a huge cost overall for the big guns. Would suck if I were shooting black rifles.

I have plenty of powder for now. Going through my stuff the other day I ran across a box of small rifle primers and a box of small pistol . I was doing the happy dance for the small rifles. Still looking for large pistol and maybe a couple hundred large rifle magnums for my .338. I am not sure everything will ever get "normal" again but think they will eventually get some product back on the shelves.

mickbr · Post by **mickbr** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:20 am

6pt-sika wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:36 am
[I’m looking at this in regards to inability to get components down the road . I’ve already got a crossbow that’s right at 400 FPS , but the idea of 500 FPS intrests me .

I have a crossbow that runs 380fps but have to admit I couldnt sustain it if things got tight. Attrition rate for arrows and broadheads at these speeds is so high, every couple shots something frags or gets lost. 1000 arrows costs more than 10,000 rounds of ammo. Making arrows from scratch is tough as wood cant handle the speeds. I looked into rolling my own shafts from regular metal tubing etc and broadheads etc buts its technical stuff at such performance levels. I think something along the lines of 150-200fps or medieval crossbows could be sustainable though.

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:17 am

mickbr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:20 am
6pt-sika wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 12:36 am
[I’m looking at this in regards to inability to get components down the road . I’ve already got a crossbow that’s right at 400 FPS , but the idea of 500 FPS intrests me .
I have a crossbow that runs 380fps but have to admit I couldnt sustain it if things got tight. Attrition rate for arrows and broadheads at these speeds is so high, every couple shots something frags or gets lost. 1000 arrows costs more than 10,000 rounds of ammo. Making arrows from scratch is tough as wood cant handle the speeds. I looked into rolling my own shafts from regular metal tubing etc and broadheads etc buts its technical stuff at such performance levels. I think something along the lines of 150-200fps or medieval crossbows could be sustainable though.

I’ve not had any issues so far with the one I have . I have about three dozen bolts and the stuff to maintain the shafts . Only thing I don’t have is a press to change the string and or cables .

mickbr · Post by **mickbr** » Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:32 am

Nice which bow do you have? I wasnt talking about bow issues so much as arrow loss/damage and broadheads getting beat up at these speeds. How many times have you taken it out?

Catshooter · Post by **Catshooter** » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:32 pm

Cat
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If they get up to a buck a piece for all rifle pistol and shotgun I’ve got a large quantity that’ll hit the market . Then a bunch of powder will hit the market as well as a bunch of wads and bullets . To say nothing of the rifles shotguns and handguns I’ll turn loose .
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Well 6pt-sika, small pistol and rifle primers are breaking $400 a thousand on Gunbroker this week, so I doubt you'll have long to wait for that $1 each.

Cat

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:56 pm

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“... I think something along the lines of 150-200fps or medieval crossbows could be sustainable though. ...

I always thought it would be cool to have a deck-mounted crossbow that could shoot 6 foot T-posts a couple hundred feet per second...it would keep malevolent Trick-or-Treaters at bay...

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:28 pm

mickbr wrote: ↑Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:32 am Nice which bow do you have? I wasnt talking about bow issues so much as arrow loss/damage and broadheads getting beat up at these speeds. How many times have you taken it out?

I've got a Ravin R9 I bought used for about half of what the original owner paid . He got it to hunt the late deer thing in AR and I think he told me he shot it maybe 30 times and didn't care for it . Now don't ask me what he didn't care for as the thing has performed wonderfully for me as have the bolts .

6pt-sika · Post by **6pt-sika** » Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:31 pm

Catshooter wrote: ↑Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:32 pm Cat

If they get up to a buck a piece for all rifle pistol and shotgun I’ve got a large quantity that’ll hit the market . Then a bunch of powder will hit the market as well as a bunch of wads and bullets . To say nothing of the rifles shotguns and handguns I’ll turn loose .
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Well 6pt-sika, small pistol and rifle primers are breaking $400 a thousand on Gunbroker this week, so I doubt you'll have long to wait for that $1 each.

Cat
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My wife will like that as I have a boatload of primers . I think I'll keep 2,000 209's and a thousand each of SR SP LR LP LPM and sell the rest . By my estimations if I clear $1 each I oughtta be in the $60,000 + area . I'll send that to the wife and that'll cover about 2/3's of what the house she wishes to build will cost me

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:19 pm

This just came out today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaBzpbiXzvY

-Tutt

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:23 pm

CowboyTutt wrote: ↑Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:19 pm This just came out today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaBzpbiXzvY

-Tutt

There are a significant number of greedy gun people that have bought every firearm and box of ammo they can just to turn a profit.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Thu Jan 21, 2021 6:50 pm

Didn't have time to read all the posts here, and I apologize if this is a repeat, but the wonderful thing about the free market is that if there is demand, someone will figure out a way to supply it. And if the idiots in power drive it underground, the black market will fill in that gap. Component technology may be high-tech now, from a productions-methodology standpoint (high-speed, robotic, etc.), but the basics have been done for 150 years+ (for metallic cartridges) and enterprising folks will figure out a way to do it "old school" if need be.