The Gun Room

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:20 am

Hi....how are you today?....I hope everything is fine with you and yours.

Alrighty now, now that the niceties are over with...what be happen'? Let's get this party moving on.........go bro!!!!

For an 86 to be converted from any caliber to 50-100-450 or 50-110 it has to worked on by a gunsmith. There's your answer! ha!

Feed rails need to be opened up ala .348 style.....the area on the receiver in front of the loading gate needs to be beveled....I believe that's all other than the obvious barrel change....and it's a very smart idea to have a 'smith who has experience doing this
As I've read horror stories by well intentioned 'smiths. Leave it alone...having a 50 caliber 1886 is for one who is bored....you probably spend $500 just getting set up for dies, brass, mould, sizing die, shell holder........you will shoot it a few times, brag about it and then it goes back in the safe where you will retreat to the "lesser" calibers......

The old saying, "once a man, twice a baby" rings true....we mostly start out with .22's and work our way up to the big bores then work our way back down to the .22's......I'm currently in the 32-20 category and slowly progressing to the .22's and finally, the Daisy Red Ryder and after that, it's the casket...or urn.---------------------------------------------------6 o...

Post by **Old Savage** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:20 pm

Well Six, you are on a roll. And why anyone wants to convert to these arcane calibers is a mystery to me. In the 45-70 you have a common caliber whose use you won't get beyond all set up by the resurgence of interest. And it came out in .... 1873.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:37 pm

I hear ya Fred...don't get me wrong...if I was filthy rich I'd have a bakers dozen of old 1886's in the 50-100-450 caliber. The 50-110 is like shooting a round ball.

By the way, what address are you using for the 32-20 bullets I'm gonna gather up...same as before?...office addy?

Yes, you can use the 115's in the 32 mag...I've shot a few thousand of them out of my Ruger SS .....in fact, it's all I use on a regular basis. The only reason I have jacketed 100 grainers laying around is because I was given them.

When I'm walking out back where noise must be kept to a tolerable lever, I'll stoke the 32 mag with either a 115 gr. bullets and 2 gr. Of bullseye or a few cylinders of shorts loaded with 1.5 of bullseye and a 77 grain cast.---6

Oh boy....sky just got black.....looks like something bad is coming.......over and out.----Mr. 32 Mag.

Post by **Old Savage** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:48 pm

Office addy is good.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:14 pm

6, Glad you escaped the falling-tree-on-ya syndrome! My son and I have cut down several around my barn... still have several to go. A few are leaning just the WRONG way, and while my barn is old, it ain't ready for replacement, YET!

My peach tree was full of blossoms until Sunday! A storm blew thru and temp dropped into the 30s... all gone, no peaches for another year! I haven't had ONE year where this tree had peaches! Something always destroys all the blooms!

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:51 pm

Woo! Pg75. The Big Six is a winner.

Hey Griff,
I've cut a couple leaning towards or over stuff like that. I usually tie them off to the truck with a little tension on them. Then limb off what I can. Make a cut in from the back at the point where it leans over or as high as appropriate. Then pull it away and over with the truck.
Of course, you have to be able to get the truck in the right spot. It sounds a lot dicier that it really is.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:46 pm

Page 75 already???!!!!
We worked all day, lucky to have a garage to set up in for putting the hand rails together. It got very dark for a bit , 1 thunder clap poured for a couple minutes then broke up and blue skies. Supposed to freeze again tonight.

Tomorrow we install the rails.

I'm not sp sure I'd take a good 86 and swap it out but if I had a real sewer pipe beater I might consider it.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:02 pm

Yes...can be very tricky cutting down big trees......trees a foot in diameter with limited branches are no brainers unless they are close to somethIng you don't want to destroy.

Now, on to important subjects.....I was friendly ridiculed by Griff who told me my "Indian axe" was nothing more than a rock............anyway, I was pretty sure it was an axe and in the last month I've been putting 2+2 together, reading as much as possible on Indians........this area is a hot spot for Indians as the Lenni-Lenape tribe were thick around here........people find all kinds of stuff on a regular basis with 99.9% of it being arrowheads.

...I bet I could fill up a truck with tiny quartz chips from the dirt that was pulled from the pond......all over the place.......common sense would tell you that the Indians made 20 arrows for every one that was useful, throwing the junk ones down on the ground......

For real, I'm going to get in contact with the West Chester University Archeological Dept. and see what they have to say......in the little spring fed stream behind the house it is my belief that the one area where the pond is was a work site of some kind.......quartz everywhere...fresh chips everywhere. A rock that is natural/untouched will have patina and a smoothness unlike a rock that is broken.

This is what I've found.....WITHOUT TRYING TO LOOK........hammer...axe....broken axe.....hide scraper.....arrowhead.....and a bird.....the back of the rock that looks like a bird/whatever....is fresh chipped and the clincher is where the eye is.....it's chipped out...hard to see in the pic.....

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:14 pm

When did you take up golf ?
Its possible some of you collection is native artifacts but I wouldnt bet the ranch on it. I was given a collection of arrowheads and a hand ax by an old family friend years ago. Even have a grinding stone from my grandmother's side of the family.

Post by **Old Savage** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 6:35 pm

Searching through office archives found Hornady #25, Hornady #1?, Lyman cast bullet handbook.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:46 pm

There it is boys! That is the workspace of our very own genius. OS.

I have a bunch of this old manuals too. I should see what ones I have. Back when I started playing with old guns, it was some of the only info that could be found on the old cartridges.
I will say, however, many of the loads were pretty optimistic.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:32 pm

I have most manuals from the forties on........i have some old powder cans from the 1910 period or so that have loads written on them.......I'll go down and take a pic...............here....lookee here....you young bucks are used to shooting those new fangled jacketed bullets that shoot like a laser beam...........there's powder in them cans too and if you like there may be an old shootin' iron around to shoot em in.

This guy just showed up.....don't believe I've seen this one before

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:58 am

You win the oldest can competition!

I'd say that fox has been there before, seems very comfortable looking for a snack around the house.

Brrr, this morning it's 30 with a good west wind , going to be chilly putting up hand rails!

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:42 am

Snowed a little here last night. Hates to quit.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:55 pm

Hand rails are done!

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Here you can see the detail we copied as per home owner. Personally I would have done flat, better rifle rest and for a better place to set a beer down !

The new copper roof is starting to take color as well

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Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:41 pm

Gunny...you've been at that place for quite some time...........how did you get the bow on the handrails? Classy.

The owners must have big loot to have a copper roof......

This corona thing is getting more dangerous everytime it mutates.....and it's never going away so I guess it about 3 years and multiple mutations there's going to be a population that rivals the year 1600.---6

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:28 pm

Six we thought about laminating the rails in a form and glueing it all together. But that wouldnt be very strong. What we did was glue & screw 2 2x6s together then cut the curve into them and machined the top radius, bottom dado and the VEE grove.

Post by **Old Savage** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:33 pm

Well Six may be Da Man on old powder but ... this is a bottle of Lemon Joy that has been in our office since 1983, veeerrryyy concentrated now.

Post by **Old Savage** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:43 pm

And another thing, today is the first time I ever bought a case of beer. It weighs the same as my golf bag. Hamm's ... from 1865..

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:47 pm

Old Savage wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:43 pm And another thing, today is the first time I ever bought a case of beer. It weighs the same as my golf bag. Hamm's ... from 1865..

155 year old beer- that might be skunky!!

Is it in blue or grey cans?

Cant say I've ever tried Hamms, not a big beer drinker- heck only 1 beer I like and it's not available here , since I haven't gone to Quebec in a few years I'm getting low. Maybe I can send the there buffalo coat on a beer run ?

Post by **Old Savage** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:02 pm

What, Molson's .. do tell. Blue can.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:07 pm

Well, you guys know like to show "upmanship". In 1975 which by second grade math was 45 years ago I was 21 and me and my brother drove to Colorado in my '71 Ford pick up..........by the third day we were arguing constantly because of my drinking....he's a closet drinker and I'm an open drunk....oh well, I was also recently turned 21 so I was able to buy alcohol legally which I was doing since I was 18 anyway......while there, I was drinking Coors, (which was unavailable in the east) Hamms, and Olympia.......SOMEHOW, dunno how but I managed to save a can of Hamms and a can of Olympia........still unopened and FULL...still carbonated as the cans are hard.......

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:27 pm

Got the bridge started today.......quite a job getting these 30' long Locust logs from the tree/tornado deal. These Locust will outlast a baby born today...........the closest I could get the tractor to drag them across the swampy area was 35 yards. I got my range finder and measured out 38 yards of high tensile wire from our fence line and cut it off...the bottom wire was not needed. This wire is about an 1/8" thick and is carbonized ....VERY strong......hooked it up to each log and then the mighty Kubota in low range four wheel drive and pulled these babies into place.

My "enchanted island" is a piece of ground that is about 30 x 60 and is 100% surrounded by water and swamp. I already have a foot bridge and this bridge that I'll be making will be for the Kubota and foot path to get to another area of the back pasture.

I've been wanting to do this for 45 years. When the cattails get tall, the enchanted island is completely closed off from viewing. After everything is done I'm gonna put a tepee on the island and live there. I have wood and spring water...seclusion at its finest....no phone...nothing.....told the wife she can have the house and I'll live in the tepee.....

I'm going to split Locust logs in half .....4' long and lag them on to the long logs.

The foot bridge with Miss Apple tonight.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:43 pm

Wow, lots going on!

Gunny,
Blue cans? Labatts Blue maybe?
I run up to get my favorite. Mooshead Pale Ale. Can't get it here. We only get Mooshead Export or Canadian Lager, which I like. Last year on our trip, my sin went out for a beer run and came back with the Pale Ale. Awesome!

OS,
Never had Hamms. First case of beer?

Lemon Joy from 83? Must use a lot of paper plates.

Six,
Thats cool with the old beers. I always meant to do that but never did. I remember when the finally let Coors be sold here. Man! What a letdown that was. Never cared for it.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:51 pm

Gunny.....I see.....by using 2x6 you retain the integrity of a solid board.......still must have been tricky getting each one exact so they all match...and then rounding them off....must have been a mega router you guys have.

Soap from 1983? I don't get it.

Catshooter · Post by **Catshooter** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:08 am

Six,

Them cans are steel, aren't they? Part of why they're hard and I'm sure they're still carbonated. No way for the CO2 to get out.

Cat

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:58 am

Hey Catshooter is back! Snow must have melted!

It is Molson Export, funny it isn't exported to the states! It's an ale. I've tried all the Molson varieties and I'm not liking any of them but the export. And I prefer it room temp! Guess because there is never enough space in the fridge in camp!

That dish soap was you prepping for unforeseen circumstances!

Just a hand held router with a 1" round over bit to shape the top, a vee groove bit for the groove and a straight bit to cut the dado on the underside.

That dipstick bimbo aoc is telling people to refuse to go back to work! Sure wish a greyhound bus would fall on her.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:22 am

We used to be able to get Molson Export up here. Not sure if we still can. I will have to check. I liked it.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:12 am

OldWin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:22 am We used to be able to get Molson Export up here. Not sure if we still can. I will have to check. I liked it.

You liked it? Sheeeeeeeeeeetttt......a drunk likes any beer......but your not a drunk...I am.....
In my drinking days I didn't care what kind of beer it was, I'd drink it...wine too...whiskey....chew tobacco, smoke weed.....hash by the hooka......huff glue.....eat lead paint.......snort high test gasoline........spray carb cleaner up my nose.......drink anti freeze......did it all....and....still alive........and........healthy ..........go figure.........well boys...got to pick up two of tons of stone for the pond.......yea.....and I shovel it out non stop..........let's have de beer!!!!! Hey......smoke joint..........watch other people work.......yea......I'm a tart..........---6

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:06 pm

This is my current favourite Beer....

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OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:13 pm

Eat lead paint.

Haha you ain't right man!

I only drink beer and bourbon. No wine or anything. Don't feel educated enough for scotch. Never smoked anything. Used to chew when I was a kid.
I still huff powder smoke.

Hey GK! That's a local brew! Well, about a 100 miles south of me. See, you got a little "hick" in ya! Good for you buddy!
We have at least a couple family run breweries right here in town. Pretty good too.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:19 pm

OldWin wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:13 pm Eat lead paint.
Haha you ain't right man!
I only drink beer and bourbon. No wine or anything. Don't feel educated enough for scotch. Never smoked anything. Used to chew when I was a kid.
I still huff powder smoke.

Hey GK! That's a local brew! Well, about a 100 miles south of me. See, you got a little "hick" in ya! Good for you buddy!
We have at least a couple family run breweries right here in town. Pretty good too.

Yup, I think of you guys every time I eat lead paint sorry I meant drink beer...

Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:24 pm

Blue can

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:26 pm

Haha now that's funny! Sadly, it's totally appropriate too! We ain't playin' with a full deck!
I don't know if we have a lot of English beers here. When my son was in England, he had some he really liked. Loved the pubs over there.

piller · Post by **piller** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:34 pm

I drink a little bit of wine. I like riesling and moscato. Whiskey is almost always something Irish. I also drink Blackberry brandy. I don't like beer. Too bitter. Everyone has their own tastes. Who cares if someone likes different from what you like?

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:01 pm

piller wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:34 pm I drink a little bit of wine. I like riesling and moscato. Whiskey is almost always something Irish. I also drink Blackberry brandy. I don't like beer. Too bitter. Everyone has their own tastes. Who cares if someone likes different from what you like?

Yup. Everything tastes different to different people. Even the same people over time. I think your tastes change as you age in some cases.

Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:39 pm

Ok, back to guns. Six, for you, a friend bought a Colt Police Positive made in 1907. It is apparently chambered in 32 Police which is shorter than the 32 S&W and the barrel is .30 cal. Jackster, do you have any info on such a critter and know where brass might be available?

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:22 pm

What a minute Fred.......I just read your post and request...........give me about 10 minutes......I was out back and found an old piece of farm equipment from the 50's and it still had paint on it....I got my leatherman out and scraped off a handful of that old lead paint....mmmmmmmm....it's all caught in my teeth right now......nothing like a lead buzz.....

Ok, I'm back......Colt Police Positive? Yea, nice little guns......what do you want to know? If your buddies gun is chambered for "32 Colt New Police", it's the same cartridge as the 32 S&W Long cartridge except the Colt version has a flat point bullet......guns chambered in either are interchangeable with either ammo. Either gun will also chamber and shoot the 32 S&W short cartridge.

If the gun is chambered in 32 Colt Short or 32 Colt it's a headache as these two rounds are heel bullets like the .22 LR or 38 Colt, short or long. These rounds are long obsolete...but not obsolete HERE as evidenced by new primed brass, late loaded ammo and even a factory sealed box of blackpowder 32 Colt New Police, which stated earlier is the same as the 32 S&W Long cartridge.

Oh! You need a Colt Police Positive?

Here's a new one from 1922 but is chambered in the 38 S&W cartridge.

Yes, everything is here...stop on over at "Sixgun's Antique Shooting & Gun Supply"....just remember to bring that suitcase full of cccaaaaaaasssshhhhhhh!-----------6.

What? Is Bernie Sanders the only one who is allowed to be an idiot? Well, gotta go and finish up those paint scrapings.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:37 pm

Wow! Nice little Colt buddy. The only double action Colts I own is my Grandfather's old Army Special from when he was a warden (rough), and an unfired Detective Special (no.....it's a later one).

Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:16 pm

Six, knew you would all over that. 32 Colt is my guess. 32 S&W is too fat to fit in and barrel is .30 cal.

Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:18 pm

What is the difference between 32 Short Colt and 32 Colt in dimensions?

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:05 pm

Ol Tom wannabe has a 32 short colt rifle- he's the man for load data and bullets.

Shipyard beer- do they use bilge water ?

Was outside all day again, rain, sleet, little sun to boot!

Bears were out and about last night, couple garbage cans were tossed , bags all over my street! They got no pic-a-nic baskets !

Ok Gunsmoke yesterday, Matt asked the man at the general store for 44 Henry shells, next scene he has a 92 in his hands... did I miss something in the early 92s?

OS, I'd say someone sometimer ebarreled that Colt!

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:44 pm

Ha! Henry shells for a '92! There are more pitiful mistakes in those old westerns it's disgusting......the most common is taking 1892's and 1894's (yes, 1894's) and popping the forend off to make them look like Henry's........

Fred.....the difference is ......I don't know without looking in the books....about the same as the difference between 32 Smith short and long..3/16"?.....I've never had a gun for either...oh Master Tommy Gun????!!!!!! Where you be???

Ya know....this corona stuff is gonna end up killing half the population in the next five years....supposedly gets meaner with each mutation....they claim it's here to stay and it's going to take many years before the proper vaccine comes out...at least that what the experts say.. ahhhhh never mind....ain't no sense of humor anymore....seems like everyone is edged out no matter where I go.-----6

Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:49 pm

Don't believe them. Probably el toro poo poo.

Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:55 pm

Guy on Gun Broker selling brass and bullets he makes.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:56 pm

Supposedly a mic was left on during a white house press conference and someone said something to the effect that they were vaccinated and had nothing to worry about. Wouldnt surprise me in the least. Heck this was probably something odumbo gave the chicoms!

Give Tom a shout !!

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:17 pm

$18? For how many? Brass or loaded ammo?

Did ya look inside the cylinder and chambers? Are they cut for the short or the long? The reason I never fooled with the heel style Colt ammo is because smith has a million variable guns chambered for their cartridges which are no brainers. A couple of boxes of 32 Colt ammo is worth more than the gun.......

Some years back I could have had one of those marlins that Tom has...1891? ....and this gun was new as in NEW......$500 ...but the ammo was not worth the bother for,what you get out of it......a 40-82 or something similar is worth the effort but not a heel bullet.......same reason I sold the only 1877 Colt 41 Colt I had.....PITA......and that gun was not much different than new....factory rose woods and 98% nickel...6"......----6

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:34 pm

Where's Jay?......hey Jay....watching Fox News and they claim that Maine is doing very well with covid 19 and your governor says, "if you love your family stay home" wtf? You got a whack job senator and a whack job governor.....we only have whack job mayors as our dem. Gov. Isn't too bad...not great, but no bad either.....he lives out there with Tommy Gun....

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:05 pm

Fred....just looked in "Cartridges of da World". Case length between S&W cartridges and the Colt are near identical. Rim diameter is real close.....the only difference is the body diameter.....with my vast experience, my computer brain tells me you only need a FLS in 32 Colt......then a possibility of turning each case near the rim as a sizer will not go all the way down....easy job with a drill press or a hand drill of some sort.........

Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:52 pm

If anybody has any sense they will just stick with the common modern calibers. Pick up a copy of Fred's Modern Gunnery. You will have nooo problems but ... likely miss out on some of the fun. I start with the 45 ACP. Then went to the 44 Spl. No problem, carbide dies and a Dillon cranked them out like mad. But curiosity came knocking and I said come in, come in. Have a beer, let's talk and see where a good buddy friend is now who sells me primo Colts and Smiths about 1/2 price.