The Gun Room

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:28 am

Jack! My paternal Grandfather was a welder at Newport News shipyard in Virginia. So when we would go visit during the summers he would teach me to weld so we had something to do together. He had an old Lincoln tombstone welder(arc) and a Giant ox acetylene setup. I was told k but then didn’t weld for 20 years. I then bought a Hobart 180. Very easy to use and depending on what wire you use either uses a shielding gas or can use flux core(has flux in the wire so no gas, but much better with the gas... in my opinion). This set up and a couple videos on YouTube will have you sticking stuff together quickly. Some people say to buy a good welding cart for the machine buuut I think making a welding cart is a great first project. Before you go to Home D checkbout tool king to see if they have any. Refurbished and carry a full warranty. Like the old adage says when all you have is a hammer all problems look like a nail. When you have a welder all problems look like they can be welded. Also with the plasma cutter you need your own compressor (which you do)!it isn’t part of the plasma cutter.

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:30 am

Hot diggity I win! I bequeath myself Jacks model 71 Deeelux.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:38 am

Deelightful Tom wins one !!

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:44 am

I been winning for a long time, not necessarily pages but been winning none the less.

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Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:10 pm

TOM WINS!!!!!!

Come pick it up...YOURS....The only thing you need to bring with you is a suitcase full of cash....I got stuff I'm tired of looking at. This Gun Room is turning out to be quite a cash cow. I have a motto, unlike people who buy stocks and bonds....."Buy Low, Sell Slightly Above Low"

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:21 pm

Who's the litttle tyke? Cute little guy........rough world he is entering.....make him tough!!!!!!

I'm thinking Jays son should have the mighty 35 Winchester tomorrow, maybe Tuesday...don't know if people work on Mondays.

OK guys...I'm going to be picking your brains in the ensuing weeks.....gonna turn the 35 Winchester into a plasma cutter, MIG welder, brakes for both Jeeps, complete fluid changes on the mighty Kubota and go out and blow the rest at a T-bar and medical treatments I'm going to need after the T bar......aids, crabs, shankers, lice, dirty underwear, and head lacerations from my wife after I do make it home.

Hey!!!! Did you hear about the old man who had a doctors appointment and he brought along his wife who waited in the waiting room? She waited 2 hours and when the old guy and the doctor came out she wanted to know why it took so long....The doctor explained, "we had to take a urine sample, a stool sample, and a sperm sample." The old woman said, "Why didn't you tell me as I could have just brought in his underwear!"----6

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:25 pm

GROAN.... that joke is so old it has liver spots!

Did you find any Easter eggs Sixbird?

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:11 pm

Meanwhile back at the ranch, everything is a ranch out here ... first 454 Casull reloads. .9.3 gr 231, 260 Speer JHP, CCI 400. 20 to start as a test.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:13 pm

260 speer, what are your initial thoughts about that bullet ? Is it designed for Colt velocity? I'm sure it would explode at 450 Bushmaster velocities !

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:33 pm

The tyke is my Grandson Bennett. As to the plasma cutter can’t help. Do you have 220 available in your work area?

Post by **Old Savage** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:34 pm

The load will only produce Colt velocity. I am interested in mild loads to shoot in the Freedom Arms. I have no interest in factory ammo ballistics.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:17 pm

Yes...Tommy Gun.....220 in garage, barn, basement and generator.

Fredrick.....your smokin' bro....hold on to the ammo, you may need it ....soon......I smell anarchy.

After what I heard today, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.....people are getting the virus over again.......ya mean, no possible cure?

Vaccine don't mean nothing? If and when a vaccine comes out you can give the virus to someone else? Possibility that the vaccine can give you the disease?

Government is allowing us to draw from our 401's without penalty?

WTF? When hope fades, it will be replaced by anarchy. Serious chit.....

Ballistic missiles will be in the air.

EXTREME storm tomorrow Gunny.....one tonight and supposedly a nasty one in the early afternoon tomorrow.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:26 pm

Whoa! Who is this handsome guy with the full head of hair and the fancy white belt?

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:49 pm

I've seen guys like that before! Trouble....... just plain trouble. People like that are why this country has sunk to where it is.

I hear you though buddy. It is scary in the good ole USA lately.
Here come dad dark man!

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:29 pm

Jack, the 220 welders are in my opinion more versatile. You can crank them down to do thin stuff and twister up for heavier stuff, like kubota buckets or trailer frames ect. I mainly do thinner stuff like sheet metal, some brackets, little projects around the house, buuuuut once in a while I have to go to the high side of its ability and it sure is nice to have it. Changing wire size is easy and only takes a couple minutes but more often than not I use.30 wire and an argon mix for the shielding gas.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:32 pm

Hi Jay...for real...you sure were a clean cut young man.....Kristy (no, I don't post guys wives pictures.). . looks like the "All American Girl Next Door."..... you guys both look like you met at Bible Study and were students at the "Young Republicans" and "Who's Who in American Colleges" with parents who are in the social elite and probably Senators or Judges....At that stage in my life, I looked like a prospect for the Pagans Motorcycle Club.

We are getting HAMMERED when 80 MILE AN HOUR WINDS tonight and tomorrow.........we'll, at least I don't have to worry about loosing anymore trees...

NO JOKE...DARK MAN IS COMING.....I spent the day AGAIN working down at the pond......dang tree is growing upside down in the pond!!!!WTF!!!???

Breaking news...GOT THAT MESSAGE TOM...THANK YOU.....yes....220

I'm bored so I'll post some pictures........ya gotta keep things interesting in times of peril.

Here's that tree growing upside down.

I was walking past the shooting shack and noticed I left the Low Wall 32-20 in there about a week ago.

The mighty 32-20

Looking through the silencer business end.

Unless you have a gun with this marking your nobody

My rock work......every rock was pulled from dirt somewhere on our back 2 acres.

This is stone.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:09 pm

Ha! That's how I got away with so much.
I LOOKED like a clean cut and upstanding fellow.
And I was..... it was Kristy and her wild and crazy ways that dragged me down to be a degenerate.

It is true. Of course my mom made me look decent for my senior picture. I didn't look that clean cut normally.
But I did figure out if you looked halfway decent, the cops would pass right over you and zero in on someone who "looked" guilty.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:39 pm

I hear ya Jay....if I think about it, I'll post my senior pic from the yearbook tomorrow.......other than being almost 50 years younger I don't look that much different.....people see me at different place and recognize me right away....."man! You never changed! Must have been all that good Panama Red weed and Pakistani hash...and of course, a life of peon luxury.--6

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:19 am

I sure hope she doesn't read that or she is gonna box your ears Jay!

The chicom virus or the country of china ( that is the real virus) needs to pay the consequences. No not a nuke but by the rest of the world turning our backs on the manufacturing and reopen our own . Just send them back to the Ming dynasty thru financial ruin.

Yup Six it's raining here, only 50 mph winds forecast here. Got lucky when I walked the hounds- no rain!

Years ago I bought a new MIG welder at an estate sale, still in the box... When I finally got around to using it was years later. Then when I plugged it in it didn't work! Not a hum, buzz, light up, feed- nadda! It went to the scrap yard. Spent hours trying to diagnose what was wrong , everything had voltage but did not work. That's what you get with off brands!! Stick to Miller, Hobart!

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:21 am

Jack, the other thing you gotta figure into your budget is the gas. These units don’t come with the bottles of gas. So if you go with the gas shield welder then ya gotta get a bottle and gas. Pretty easy to find even out here in Berks county.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:23 am

Eat more beans for free shielding gas BUT don't use hard boiled eggs- leads to pits and voids in your beads!

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:37 am

Hey ! I just found one of my old wildcats that never went anywhere.

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Tell me what it is and you win the next available Winchester of Jay Birds!!

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:35 am

358-20

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:36 am

No I think 375-20

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:46 am

Close Tom very close!

I've been smiffin all morning. Seems I never did any function testing on the h&h ! Max case length of 3.600 was longer that the original mag well on the action so I started removing steel at the front, now its feeding but last round is only feeding about 50% ... scratching my head... ah, left rear of follower hanging up, polished it up and seems like I'm sneaking up on it.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:33 pm

.323-20.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:40 pm

.358/38 Blackout.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:58 pm

Jack, the only thing about a shielding gas... is that you have to have the gas around. I find it hard enough to keep my oxygen & acetylene bottles up to snuff. The shielding gas is really only needed if you're welding aluminum or stainless. Aluminum oxidizes so fast you can't get it to stick together without a shielding gas. With stuff like bronze you need full ppe because of the fumes. Stainless, the welds just seem so much better with a shielding gas.

In case you're wondering, the shielding gas is there to keep oxygen away from the raw aluminum as it heats and reaches "welding" temps. It also uses a completely different hose & gun setup from a std. MIG outfit, costs more. I don't know if you can use a gas setup without the gas... Let me know if you get the gas setup tho'... as I want to build an aluminum gas tank for the bed of my dually!

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:07 pm

Nope & nope... Tom is closest, it's a 338-20. Would make a heck of quiet thumper!

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:48 pm

Griff, I don’t want to argue with you buuut. With a true MIG (metal inert gas) you use a shielding gas for mild steel also. Aluminum and stainless use a spool gun, different wire and a different gas than mild steel. Yes you have MIG welders that use a flux core wire but for the best welds and use of the machine use gas. HOWEVER for LOTs of projects a flux core wire without gas is adequate. Do your research Jack because some machines my Hobart included, come without the bottle and set up for the flux core wire. You can start welding right away. They include the “kit” to make it a gas machine and when you are ready you can get the bottle connect some hoses and a regulator bam you have shielding gas. Kinda depends on what you want and your needs. Are you gonna do most of your welding in one spot( garage, barn ect) a gas bottle isn’t a big deal to have attached to your cart, or if you are gonna try and be mobile with the welder then a big gas bottle will be a PITA.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:48 pm

Shielding gas???? What's that? You mean I just can't buy a MIG welder with a spool of wire and weld up something? I'll only be doing regular scrap steel and brainless projects...I ain't building a battle ship.....chit! I'm discouraged already.

F it! I'll just buy a couple of tubes of JB Weld.

Something happens to some people when they get old.....I just not willing to take on anymore learning curves even if they are simple. I believe the term is called "lazy in the mind".

Gunny...that has to be one of the most pizz poor cartridges I ever saw.....maybe it's the way the photo was taken but is that a super irregular case mouth? Looks like a 32-20 and a possible .321 bullet in it. Could be a .318 js bullet...

Oh screw it....thunder storm at the moment.....I'm going outside to climb on the barn roof holding a monkey wrench and outstretch my arms to the heavens.

Shielding gas? Does it stink? Will it go through my pants without making a hole like methane gas will? I've been told a fanny burp is the sharpest thing in the world as it will go through your pants without making a hole.

80 mph winds were forecast.....I can go outside right now, fanny burp, and the stink will stay with me...nuttin' out der.---6

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:53 pm

JACK ANSWER YOUR PHONE

Post by **Old Savage** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:59 pm

Nice rock work Six. Did a bit of exploratory inventory in my office this morning. Among other goodies I found another new box of new 32-20 brass. Looking at another go round of 32-20 loads. Six, your top medium load again for our Calif prissy 85 gr jacketed?

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:04 pm

tom, you're right. I have the flux core wire on my Hobart 190. For mild steel it's the best I think. No tank & hoses to concern myself with. I should have been more specific. Didn't even think about non-flux core wire.

piller · Post by **piller** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:07 pm

Like a lot of jobs, you can use more than 1 type of tool to get it done. Some tools are better than others.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:24 pm

Six yes it looks funny, I neglected to anneal the case before I rammed the 338 expander into a 257 neck so it's not very smooth! One of those things from long ago!

Not a big learning curve for a mig welder. Normally the shield gas is argon , as Tom said it prevents oxygen from corroding the molten metal creating a a poor weld. Flux core wire has flux inside it to prevent corrosion. Easy enough. I wish there was a school around here that had a welding class as I'd like to get back up to speed again.

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:29 pm

Gunny, do you have a Vo-tech school near you? My BIL ran the county votech in this county and they offered six week courses, one or two nights a week for adults in welding, electrical, and auto body. Couple hundred bucks.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:54 pm

OK..ok...I answered the phone and learned more from the phone call that a 6 month course is welding will do...THANKS TOMMY GUN.

With the way people are dropping dead I see no need to rush out and buy a MIG welder....in 6 months, after half the population is dead, I'll be able to pick one up on Craig's List for pennies on the dollar or just for the taking.

Just looked at Italy's death chart...with minor fluctuations it ain't changed much in a month and supposedly the weak and vulnerable died first........so who's dying?

There's a lot THEY are not telling us.---6

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:19 pm

A county college, they used to offer welding but they stopped it years ago. Only other place is more than an hour away- NOT gonna happen.

Deep breath Six, it's going to be ok, different but ok. Gotta be positive!

Spent the whole day working on the 375, there was a lot of tinkering and fiddling to get it to feed all from the mag. Had to reshape and polish the claw extractor for belted mag case head. Then I realized that a base screw was binding on the left recoil lug upon opening, 15 passes with a OO Swiss file cured that!
Ordered a lee factory crimp die and a jag today too!

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:37 pm

Just for kicks I looked at the community college, they do still offer a mig class, geared toward professional job placement and its 1500 bucks !

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:32 pm

Sorry buddy. The school I was thinking about was for high school kids going into the trades instead of college.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:47 pm

Classes? Had my last in '72 and have learned all I wanted to learn.

F.I.....a case of JB Weld is gonna have to do.

My wife's favorite little dog died today. Seems like everything in this world that is good dies too early and everything that is bad lives too long.

I hear Mark Cuban is thinking of running for POTUS....

I have another grave to dig in our pet cemetery tomorrow.---6

piller · Post by **piller** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:53 pm

Six, my sympathy to you and your wife. It hurts to lose a good dog.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:40 pm

Hey Jack,
Oh man I'm SO sorry about the pup. I believe we met when Kristy and I were there.
Please give your wife our deepest sympathy. Nothing worse than losing a good pup.

fordwannabe · Post by **fordwannabe** » Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:11 pm

Sorry to hear that Jack. Tell Mrs. I am sad for her.

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:01 am

Sorry to hear about your wife's favourite dog, I know how much losing a dog hurts especially one that has stolen your heart. My condolences to you both.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:03 am

Aw man , our deepest condolences from me and the girls. It is not an easy thing.

Back to work today, still quite windy here this morning. Only 1.4" of rain yesterday- not the forecasted 3 inches.

Hmm, the coffee tastes off this morning...

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:17 pm

Likewise Six, condolences to your wife.

GunnyMack · Post by **GunnyMack** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:36 pm

More rot today! Had to fillet a 4 x 6 american chestnut so we could scab in a peice of 2x6 to tie 2 walls together. Not too bad but all the dirt,rocks that were used to fill the walls kept sifting down on is- I'm filthy!!

Frost warning here tonight !? Rain tomorrow? I take it with a grain of bullseye that the weatherman is right.

Jay Bird · Post by **Jay Bird** » Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:18 pm

Thanks a lot guys.....we have 17 dogs buried in our pet cemetery with 4 others in different places and it never gets easier when throwing the dirt on them.

Dogs are a constant reminder that there is still good in this world. I can't say much else about this nasty world even by the ones who take the moral high road......ya figure, I was born and raised a Roman Catholic, my kids went to Catholic School and then as I got older and learned a thing or two I realized how F up this world is. The clincher was when studying WW2 history and learning how the Vatican helped Nazi's escape just and due punishment not to mention the many boys lives that have been altered by the very ones they put their trust into.....priests? ...a joke..

If I would have known at 20 what I know now, I would have just built a 2 room log cabin deep in the mountains and been a hermit with a few dogs......yea, and a few Winchesters & Colts.

---6. Thanks bros!

Max.....gone before his time....7 years old...a Teacup Yorkie....my wife and I believe people are doing many breeds of dogs a disservice by breeding dogs to be little for their own pleasure.....very little dogs are more prone to diseases and organ failure.